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    • Thanks for all the help and replies. I really appreciate it! I'll go through it properly tomorrow when I have electricity again  Quick question:
      Will the MultiGrid be able to work with PV without having batteries or an MPPT or will I need an MPPT or both in order to power from PV? (From what I've read it seems that I need a seperate solar inverter without batteries & MPPT, but I'd just like to confirm) The idea I have now (if the above is possible) is: Get a small generator once I start to keep the home office running in the unlikely event of an outage. Get the MultiGrid and PV to start making use of some PV Get an MPPT and battery/s (Or just battery/s if MPPT is required to start generating with PV Obviously the battery/s will be a big expense, so if it can be delayed due to me having the generator that'll be great as I'm hoping the LFP prices will keep going down.
    • Let me get technical (because I love it), and bolster my story with some math! If you draw a chart with time on the horizontal axis (let's say in hours) and current on the vertical axis (in ampere), then if you consider the area UNDER the line, it would be current multiplied by time, or amp-hours. If you've had calculus training at some point in your career, then you know the procedure for calculating the area under the line is known as integration, and if you've done any applied mathematics and/or numerical analysis type courses, then you know there are ways to approach the area using various techniques, the simplest which is newtonian integration. Newtonian integration essentially draws little narrow trapeziums below the curvy line and work out the area of each trapezium, and add them all. There are even simpler methods where you draw a narrow little rectangle so that the middle of the rectangle is on the top line (or consider converting a line chart to a bar chart so that there are millions of little rectangular bars for each data point). Again, the area of a rectangle is simply width times height, or in this case, current multiplied by delta-T. This is basically exactly what the BMV and the Multi does. The reason the Multi could not do it when you had DC chargers, was that it didn't know about "external" current. So the obvious answer is to make it aware of it. And it really is that simple. Every couple of seconds, you take the combined current from all the MPPTs and tell the Multi that "by the way, there's also this 52.3A coming from somewhere else", and then the Multi adds it in when doing its little integration dance. The result is an SoC determination that isn't 100% accurate... but guess what, lead acids aren't that consistent anyway, lithiums don't really get hurt if you're off by a bit, and it's a thousand times better than using the voltage to estimate it (at least for lead acid).
    • And there I learn something! My upgrade path after my Phoenix (if it ever goes) is then all set for a Multigrid, have all the parts. Sell the BMV and to offset some of the new inverters cost. :-) 
    • There is rather a lot to explain and I don't want to overcomplicate things at this point. But let me put it simply. IF you have a Venus-GX, and all your solar chargers are Victrons, then you don't need the BMV. The Multi already has the ability to track the state of charge, and the Venus-GX tells the Multi about what the solar chargers are doing, so the Multi keeps a good state of charge even without a BMV. This also makes switching to and from the grid easy or even run grid-parallel. But if you decide not to go with a Venus-GX, then I would suggest getting the BMV instead. There is a way to configure the Multi so it takes a signal from the BMV to switch to and from the grid. This is a hard-on/hard-off configuration, it does not mix power from different sources. Also, when you later buy your new LFP battery, the BMS of that battery will tell you about the SOC and you won't need the BMV anymore. If it was me, I'd get the Venus-GX and leave the BMV, unless I had money to burn. It may sound odd... but it isn't, if the chargers are all victron and there are no DC loads, and you have a Venus-GX or CCGX, you don't need the BMV.   The day my wife bragged to her colleagues in the office was the day I knew she bought in. The power went out, and she announced that she's going home because there's power there... Something else to be said about this: It's not going to help that you have power, but your internet connection goes down because some part of it runs from the grid or has only limited backup. Make sure you have more than one internet connection if it is really important to you.
    • The Multiplus-II has a steel case, where the others have aluminium cases. The Multiplus-II is also not significantly cheaper (in fact it is bout 20 Euros more expensive), but it does pack a bit more features. It has slightly lower no-load consumption and it has the anti-islanding features of the Multigrid. But it also costs the same as the Multigrid. The only other feature it has is a detachable current sensor, so in an ESS setup it saves you some money on adding a separate energy meter. The Multiplus has a higher-rated transfer switch though (be sure to get the 35-50). Also see here. Personally I'd get the Multiplus, or possibly the Multigrid if it is not too much more expensive. Difference? The Multigrid is certified for NRS097-2-1, in other words, it can be tied to the grid in South Africa. The Multiplus only complies with NRS097-2-1 if you add another anti-Islanding switch. The easysolar is nice and all, but doesn't in my mind represent much of a saving over individual components, and it sort of commits you to an all-at-once decision. I personally prefer multiple smaller MPPTs rather than one large 150/70. Also, if you go 24V (nothing wrong with that), it limits your battery choices later when you want to go LFP. In terms of the best value options available now: You'd be limited to the FreedomWon Lite-mini battery, as that is one of the few 24V batteries made locally.
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