Jaco De Jongh Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 As much as I like this Inverter I just received some sad news about it. For a while now I have been in contact with the Taiwan factory, I have heard through the grapevine that new firmware was released. I was trying to get hold of it, but failed to do so. About 2 weeks ago they confirmed that my Inverters will not take this update due to hardware constraints. I decided to leave it at that and started driving the NRS-certification issue. I started contacting everybody could about this issue and just received an mail back from them. BAD NEWS: The InfiniV DID NOT pass the test, it will not receive the NRS-certification. GOOD NEWS: The INFINISOLAR V 2, has all ready been build, with all the hardware&software upgrades and will be released early next year, NRS approved and certified. EVEN BETTER NEWS: They Offered me two options: 1. They can fully refund me or 2: They can replace my 2 units with upgraded ones........ For Free. Mark, ___, ibiza and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, Jaco de Jongh said: 2: They can replace my 2 unit with upgraded ones........ For Free Respect to that supplier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulF007 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 WOW now that's product backing at its best! Next time I need to shop for a inverter I will call on you to give me their details. Mabe in about 15 years time. Jaco De Jongh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper_za Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Jaco de Jongh said: EVEN BETTER NEWS: They Offered me two options: 1. They can fully refund me or 2: They can replace my 2 units with upgraded ones........ For Free. + 1 million points Voltronic Jaco De Jongh, PaulF007, Chris Hobson and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulF007 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 @The Terrible Triplett that should take out all the suspicion about whether Voltronic will back thier products or not .. Might we see a conversion in the future ... SilverNodashi and Jaco De Jongh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 1 hour ago, PaulF007 said: @The Terrible Triplett that should take out all the suspicion about whether Voltronic will back thier products or not .. Might we see a conversion in the future ... When I fall pregnant yes! (cwl) Voltronic backing their products you say ... bragging about their support on a forum dedicated to Voltronic? Maybe they should pay Energy whilst they are at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulF007 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 58 minutes ago, The Terrible Triplett said: bragging about their support on a forum dedicated to Voltronic? Nope it is not a dedicated "Voltronic Forum" it is just pure coincidence that most of the forum members own a voltronic inverter ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 24 minutes ago, PaulF007 said: ... pure coincidence ... Probably. I smile at it being a MAINLY Voltronic PF, with a specific brand of software, and PF shop with Victron mainly. (cwl) That will bring a LOT of Victron oakes out of the woodwork ... no wait, Victron works one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulF007 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 9 minutes ago, The Terrible Triplett said: Probably. I smile at it being a MAINLY Voltronic PF, with a specific brand of software, and PF shop with Victron mainly. (cwl) That will bring a LOT of Victron oakes out of the woodwork ... no wait, Victron works one time. As stated above - not a Voltronic forum and now confirmed by yours truly as they cannot buy the Inverters on the FORUM. (HINT , HINT - Energy) so the Voltronic members must come from somewhere else. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulF007 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 O ja @Jaco de Jongh you will let us know if they followed through with their offer ne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 That is a good point. And how many replacements will they do so graciously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulF007 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Terrible Triplett said: That is a good point. And how many replacements will they do so graciously. Time will tell my friend only time ... At least it is a step in the right direction.. Most of these Chingelish Companies would have not even responded so it is a step in the right direction to become a possible market leader ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Many manufacturers are quite willing to do swaps on hardware purchased fairly recently. Back in 2013 Victron also replaced my control board with a new one (I wanted the new processor) for free because it was less than a year old. They don't HAVE to do it of course, but it is really nice when they do :-) There are however quite a few Victron converts still in the closet around here. I know who they are... :-) PaulF007, Jaco De Jongh and Chris Hobson 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulF007 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 How did you know , who told you .... shoot it was a trick wasn't it .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hobson Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 6 hours ago, Jaco de Jongh said: GOOD NEWS: The INFINISOLAR V 2, has all ready been build, with all the hardware&software upgrades and will be released early next year, NRS approved and certified. Did they say anything about which configurations would be available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinTheTerrible Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 What about the two currently on the approved list? Will they be scrapped on the next amendment? francois 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaco De Jongh Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 1 hour ago, PaulF007 said: O ja @Jaco de Jongh you will let us know if they followed through with their offer ne. Of coarse I will, cant wait to see what the new Inverters can do. 1 hour ago, The Terrible Triplett said: And how many replacements will they do so graciously. Lol, forgive me TTT, I only know of 2 that is in use, so from my point of view, 100% will be replaced. 43 minutes ago, Chris Hobson said: Did they say anything about which configurations would be available? No Chris. And I haven't asked, but let me try and find out, will let you know. 10 minutes ago, HeinTheTerrible said: What about the two currently on the approved list? Will they be scrapped on the next amendment? Hein, i am sure once on the list, they will remain on the list. They have all ready passed the test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francois Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 What about the two currently on the approved list? Will they be scrapped on the next amendment? Hi, where can I get the list please? Sent from my SM-G900H using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinTheTerrible Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 @Jaco de Jongh Ah, I see you have the 4kw version that's not yet listed. Now the post makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up! Jaco De Jongh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinTheTerrible Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, francois said: Hi, where can I get the list please? Sent from my SM-G900H using Tapatalk http://resource.capetown.gov.za/documentcentre/Documents/Forms, notices, tariffs and lists/Approved inverter and equipment ito NRS 097-2-1-2010 2016 11 24.pdf francois 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francois Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 http://resource.capetown.gov.za/documentcentre/Documents/Forms, notices, tariffs and lists/Approved inverter and equipment ito NRS 097-2-1-2010 2016 11 24.pdf Thanks! Sent from my SM-G900H using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaco De Jongh Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 3 hours ago, The Terrible Triplett said: I smile at it being a MAINLY Voltronic PF, with a specific brand of software, and PF shop with Victron mainly. (cwl) That will bring a LOT of Victron oakes out of the woodwork ... no wait, Victron works one time. Ai TTT, and i always thought: We have more Voltronic discussions because they break more often and give more problems? Very few guys has the money to buy Victron, if they did 25% of the discussions on the forum would have been about "How do i set this on Victron" or "What does setting 3 mean". Silly me!!!! Can someone please let the smoke out of your Victron so that we can balance this forum. Or is there anything else I can do to make you happy again TTT? viper_za 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I'm really just curious on what point the inverter fails. There are limits to the amount of THD that is allowed, DC injection, Power factor better than 0.9. Then there are the disconnection parameters: Voltage or frequency limits, a maximum tripping time of 2 seconds for out of range conditions, or re-energizing the grid too soon (it should wait 60 seconds after a problem). The bit about anti-islanding is particularly interesting, mentioning a condition where a breaker at the substation creates an island. This is precisely the condition I was on about earlier, where such a breaker essentially leaves the houses in the street connected to each other, but disconnected from the network: Quote 4.2.2.4.1 A utility distribution network can become de-energized for several reasons: for example, a substation breaker that opens due to a fault condition or the distribution network might be switched off for maintenance purposes. Should the load and (embedded) generation within an isolated network be closely matched, then the voltage and frequency limits may not be triggered. If the embedded generator control system only made use of passive voltage and frequency out-of- bounds detection, this would result in an unintentional island that could continue beyond the allowed time limits. The issue is that the mismatch might be such that it takes more than 2 seconds for the inverter to trip. Unlikely to actually shock a line worker, but it still fails the test. To prevent the condition, all inverters must use at least one active method of monitoring, that is, deliberately adjusting one of the parameters to cause a fault condition unless the grid is there to keep the inverter honest :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 13 hours ago, Jaco de Jongh said: Can someone please let the smoke out of your Victron so that we can balance this forum. Or is there anything else I can do to make you happy again TTT? O I already dunnit on my old 350VA. It was repaired, twice(!) but after the 2nd repair, after testing the Bosch fridge on it, I am sad to say it was too much for that little one. Failed about a month after the last repair. Could not go above 100w. Repairer recons the board must have degrade after the 2nd spectacular unintentional attempt at destruction, and the load from the Bosch fridge. Jaco, respek ou maat. Jy is lekker oopkop. And you try new things with Blue to boot, one day ... 13 hours ago, Jaco de Jongh said: "How do i set this on Victron" or "What does setting 3 mean". (CWL) Truth be told I started a post yesterday and then realised I will open a door and it will flood. And there you touched on it. Yes, you are right. But things like Firmware upgrades and none of this (very clever and astute) re-furbished firmware upgrades. Victron has that down to a fine art especially on the VE.Direct connected devices. As you plug the device in with a VE.Direct cable and their software connected to the www, it tells you on the spot, new firmware. Press ok and it is done in seconds. And the programmatability of the devices, nirvana if that is your interest or skillset. But not for the average Joe who has little interest. He will be on this then Victron forum but once you get it, they just work, So the forum would have been quiet, very very quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 38 minutes ago, The Terrible Triplett said: VE.Direct cable I'm excited about the new bluetooth stuff that's coming. Some MPPTs already have it, new BMV coming next year (the 712 I believe) will also have it if my info is correct. Same protocol I expect, just using serial over bluetooth aka rfcomm. I knew about this for some time but had to sit on the info because that was only announced at METS 2016 three weeks ago :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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