105 W/km EV 1000km range

[Scorp007]

https://carnewschina.com/2023/12/01/catl-developed-a-skateboard-chassis-with-a-1000-km-range-the-first-car-to-launch-in-2024/

Takes 5min to charge for 300km travel

Edited December 6, 2023 by Scorp007

[Moffat]

I saw it being tested, but it didn't have all the other bits and bobs like car body, which would impact range through added weight, increased aerodynamic friction, so that range is to be taken with a pinch of salt. However, if range came down by about 5-10% in realworld, its quite compelling. The real issue is longevity of the battery pack, given the high speed charging, CATL batteries have generally been well renowned by that high-speed charging is concerning.

Now in Africa, where's the charging infrastructure given loadshedding? "Range-anxiety" would be a serious premium for any long-range traveller, let alone, the fast-charging infrastructure.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Moffat

[Scorp007]

1 hour ago, Moffat said:

I saw it being tested, but it didn't have all the other bits and bobs like car body, which would impact range through added weight, increased aerodynamic friction, so that range is to be taken with a pinch of salt. However, if range came down by about 5-10% in realworld, its quite compelling. The real issue is longevity of the battery pack, given the high speed charging, CATL batteries have generally been well renowned by that high-speed charging is concerning.

Now in Africa, where's the charging infrastructure given loadshedding? "Range-anxiety" would be a serious premium for any long-range traveller, let alone, the fast-charging infrastructure.

I thought these tests were done in a Neta sedan during summer and winter. With power used only 30% lower than some other EVs it seems possible? 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Scorp007

[Moffat]

Just googled average temperatures in Turpan, China... those are quite high. I wonder how the cooling system used for and by these batteries is. Given hot African temperatures they may be at par with some locations or above and what again, is the long-term effect on battery SoH, given batteries as a rule don't do well with extreme temperatures. Test numbers for new products always are enticing, but real-world results are the great benchmarks. Australia used to have a battery testing facility which has since been closed, I believe, but it more or less used to "stress-test" various battery brands, moreso for the domestic market, not the EV ones and so questions would then arise in respect of warranty, real cost of battery replacements (out of warranty) etc. It's good to see though that the Chinese as a rule are doing well in the EV market compared to the rest of the world.

I would love it if they had a local factory in SA for instance which would cater for the Southern African market and see how efficient they are in dealing with the local harsh conditions, both with imports of materials they may not have or warranties and dealing with SARB and SARS.

[Scorp007]

36 minutes ago, Moffat said:

 

I would love it if they had a local factory in SA for instance which would cater for the Southern African market and see how efficient they are in dealing with the local harsh conditions, both with imports of materials they may not have or warranties and dealing with SARB and SARS.

Years ago all local car manufacturers were doing endurance testing in the Northern Cape. Today they import models as in Europe and only replace sometimes if customers have major problems. We know of some of these models. 

The world has turned their back on testing before launching. Testing is rather done to ensure some part reach their end of life soon after warranty expired

[Moffat]

Too true and the level of precision of when product dies after expiration is almost like it's software programmed (due to it's accuracy)

[Pho3niX90]

EV production is not viable at all in South Africa, due to obvious reasons. I believe VW already set a ultimatum in place for SA.

Same for testing the cars in SA, most plants are in Rosslyn, making importing and exporting extremely expensive, considering how far it is from the ports, as well as the unreliable train networks. But, in and around Rosslyn you will witness a lot of zebra striped, test vehicles.

NC I believe was the testing grounds for high speed due to the 250kmh speed limit, but the autobahn is better suited

[Scorp007]

47 minutes ago, Pho3niX90 said:

EV production is not viable at all in South Africa, due to obvious reasons. I believe VW already set a ultimatum in place for SA.

Same for testing the cars in SA, most plants are in Rosslyn, making importing and exporting extremely expensive, considering how far it is from the ports, as well as the unreliable train networks. But, in and around Rosslyn you will witness a lot of zebra striped, test vehicles.

NC I believe was the testing grounds for high speed due to the 250kmh speed limit, but the autobahn is better suited

I actually don't see what would make EVs being exported different to the about 400 000 ICE being currently exported per year. A guess would be that 70% of local production is being exported. Yes our local ports are a mess but Maputo is not that far off from Rosslyn. Some manufacturers are exporting all their vehicles via Maputo. 

The 20km queue to the border of heavy duty trucks is testimony that their is a port to use. 

I thought the VW ultimatum was based on the direction and taxes etc for the future EV manufacturing. Also the lack of proper services as well as the major power problem. 

[Pho3niX90]

8 hours ago, Scorp007 said:

I actually don't see what would make EVs being exported different to the about 400 000 ICE being currently exported per year. A guess would be that 70% of local production is being exported. Yes our local ports are a mess but Maputo is not that far off from Rosslyn. Some manufacturers are exporting all their vehicles via Maputo. 

The 20km queue to the border of heavy duty trucks is testimony that their is a port to use. 

I thought the VW ultimatum was based on the direction and taxes etc for the future EV manufacturing. Also the lack of proper services as well as the major power problem. 

Regarding EV, yes the exporting of them would be the same as ICE, but the manufacturing is extremely different, and because of that, it's not plausible at all, or at least from the reports I have seen from the German auto makers. The train in the network has interfered heavily on the production cycle the last 5 years, from power problems, to strikes demanding shares. 

I personally would love for EVs to be manufactured here, but it wouldn't affect the local pricing, since it's a requirement to export them, then reimport them (tax credits to import parts).