Tesla Powerwall vs Pylontech (or similar)

[bobmabena 0]

Haven't found anything on a comparison between the 2, so I was just wondering what the general feeling was?

The Powerwall is approx R160k for 13.5kWh usable power, which strikes me as on the high end of the cost scale... (but then I'm only starting to figure out my needs)

[JustinSchoeman 53]

The equivalent would be 5x Pylontech USB3000 + a 5kW solar inverter charger.  So probably R140k.  At R167k the Powerwall seems to be priced out of the market.

On the other hand, if it sold at the US price of$6500 = R105k, it would be a good deal.

[Ingo 45]

Actually it's a pretty ballpark price if you ask me + a bit exclusivity premium.

Take a Bluenova or Freedomwon 16 or 15kWh battery at R125k-R130K, add a Victron MPII 5K for around R30k and all the surrounding bits and then it looks pretty competitive with the higher-end kit. If you substitute the batteries for Pylontechs you can save a few bucks

But I could also be way wrong but that's how it looks to me.

Edit: I think the lower-end market should'nt be concerned, the high-end got a new kid on the block to consider. I would consider it if I haven't gone Blue and White (FW).

Edited September 18, 2020 by Ingo

[fredhen 9]

The Powerwall comes with a 13.5 kWh battery that can be 100% discharged and an inverter that can do 5kW continuous and 7kW peak output. By default you can only charge the battery from the grid. If you would like to be able to charge using solar power you will need to also add a separate 5kW PV inverter.

In my opinion you can sort of compare it as 4-5 Pylontech US3000 batteries with a Victron Multiplus-II GX 48/5000/70-50. Adding the GX as it also give you the monitoring that you get with the Powerwall although you need to buy a Powerwall Gateway 2 for that if I remember correctly), so it can be similar to a Multi without a GX device, but most people want monitoring.

The difference would be that if you would like to charge using solar power then you only need to add MPPT/s which works out quite less than having to add a PV inverter (like the Fronius Primo 5.0-1), but you can also add it as it is supported by the Multi.

[Chloe 53]

Have a look at https://batterytestcentre.com.au/batteries/

They have tested both.

[PJJ 224]

59 minutes ago, JustinSchoeman said:

At R167k the Powerwall seems to be priced out of the market.

I think so too.

At R167K its about the price of 5 x US3000's and a 8000VA Victron Quattro.

The Quattro obviously has a bigger inverter (6.5KW) and another big benefit I think is that second AC Input.

And then there is just the chemistry differences, NMC cells will have a lower cycle life compared to Lifepo4.

So with those things considered, I will still go blue  

[Boerseun 34]

23 hours ago, Chloe said:

Have a look at https://batterytestcentre.com.au/batteries/

They have tested both.

Very interresting so the Pylontech batteries have not failed yet and is still performing within spec not the same can be said for powerwall.