error code 60 on Axpert 4kw

[ibiza]

Hi all,

after rewiring my PVs one of two Axpert inverts is showing an error 60. It is not listing in the inverter's manual 1 Does anyone have any idea what it could mean?

Any advise will be highly appreciated..

Regards

[Chris Hobson]

Error 60 is power feedback. Current feedback is detected. See the troubleshooting page 16 of the parallel manual below.

I will put the parallel manual also up on the downloads page.

PIP-HS_MS Parallel Guide.pdf

[ibiza]

Thanks Chris for the manual. I wander why I don't have one!

I've downloaded it this morning.

I will check what mess I made but I didn't touch AC wires at all!!!

regards

[Chris Hobson]

27 minutes ago, ibiza said:

Thanks Chris for the manual. I wander why I don't have one!

Unfortunately - 10 points for Voltronic (or their affiliates) for not supplying the manual. TTT will be rolling his eyes.

 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Chris Hobson said:

Unfortunately - 10 points for Voltronic (or their affiliates) for not supplying the manual. TTT will be rolling his eyes.

On the contrary, I am quite pleased that you are being fair in not only penalizing Victron, but Voltronics also. 

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2 hours ago, The Terrible Triplett said:

On the contrary, I am quite pleased that you are being fair in not only penalizing Victron, but Voltronics also. 

Equal opportunity critics... love them too :-)

[Fazil]

old post but would this logic apply to the Infini solar 10kw in parallel?

I have Error 60 on 1 of the inverters

[Coulomb]

1 hour ago, Fazil said:

would this logic apply to the Infini solar 10kw in parallel?

Error 60

Generally, the Axpert and Infini fault codes (error codes) don't seem to line up.

However, in this case, it appears that they do (from a different model's manual, but should still apply):

[Rob Firefly]

Good day all

I have 2 x 5kva Axperts connected in parallel with similar issue all was 100% until after installing rasPi and icc (no wiring changes) now have error code 60, have noticed now master goes into bypass which has grid voltage output at 237v and slave still in inverter mode at 230v output which is obviously causing the current feedback issue, any help from the axpert fundis would be greatly appreciated.

[Coulomb]

@Rob Firefly, I would check setting 28 (output mode) and make sure that individually these are set to Par. If you need to change one of them, note that you have to have the inverter switched off to do it. Have a charge source available (PV or AC-in) so the inverter doesn't actually switch off completely.

I would disconnect both inverter's AC-out (hopefully you have a circuit breaker on each) until you sort this out. There should be safeguards, but I worry about loud bangs when the outputs aren't singing from the same song book, so to speak.

[Rob Firefly]

Thanks very much for that Coulomb will double check in the morning but i am sure they are both in pal setting on prog. 28, is there any way the parallel card could have failed when installing the RasPi ?

[Coulomb]

It's possible that the current sharing cable connections work loose; that's been reported before. I suppose the parallel card could have failed, but I would have expected an error to be detected (to do with CAN bus errors). 

[Rodney]

Good Morning all.

I need help I have just installed a Meccer 5kva , I'm picking up a error code 60 when ac power is reinstated from the grid. The unit then shuts down .

Please help and thanks in advance.

Rodney Parkin

[Coulomb]

6 hours ago, Rodney said:

I'm picking up a error code 60 when ac power is reinstated from the grid.

This fault comes up when significant power (like 1200 W) is detected flowing into the inverter output. This seems to be possible with paralleled inverters, if the current sharing isn't working.

* Do you have paralleled inverters?

* If you have one inverter, is setting 28 set to PAL? The easiest way is to check whether you see "HS" in the display, indicating that it's a parallel master. If so, you need to turn it off; see FAQ question 4.

[Rodney]

16 hours ago, Coulomb said:

This fault comes up when significant power (like 1200 W) is detected flowing into the inverter output. This seems to be possible with paralleled inverters, if the current sharing isn't working.

* Do you have paralleled inverters?

* If you have one inverter, is setting 28 set to PAL? The easiest way is to check whether you see "HS" in the display, indicating that it's a parallel master. If so, you need to turn it off; see FAQ question 4.

Thank you , I will go to my client in the morning.

[Jazzy]

On 2020/07/12 at 2:00 PM, Coulomb said:

This fault comes up when significant power (like 1200 W) is detected flowing into the inverter output. This seems to be possible with paralleled inverters, if the current sharing isn't working.

* Do you have paralleled inverters?

* If you have one inverter, is setting 28 set to PAL? The easiest way is to check whether you see "HS" in the display, indicating that it's a parallel master. If so, you need to turn it off; see FAQ question 4.

I dont know how to say this you are amazing and you are a god sent, it's me I just installed a new 5000w mercer and followed your instructions and voila done,  both up and running, it takes about 45 seconds to die after turning off the switch.

 

Thank you, let me know if I can be of assistance....

Thanks greatly appreciated...

[NLEDiaz]

On 2016/05/23 at 12:03 AM, Chris Hobson said:

Error 60 is power feedback. Current feedback is detected. See the troubleshooting page 16 of the parallel manual below.

I will put the parallel manual also up on the downloads page.

PIP-HS_MS Parallel Guide.pdfUnavailable

Hi Chris, Can you make available again the above doc. "parallel guide".

[NLEDiaz]

20 hours ago, NEWLITO LIMUEL DIAZ said:

Hi Chris, Can you make available again the above doc. "parallel guide".

Hi Cris, I have two 5kw Sunmart Hybrid inverters installed in parallel. Setting 28 are both set to "PAL". All connections are checked and counterchecked to be all in order. 
But when both inverters are tured on, after an hour or so an "error 60" fault indication comes on. I am not sure how I should approached or troubleshoot this as I cannot see 
anything wrong on all the connections. Appreciated any help!

[Coulomb]

6 hours ago, NEWLITO LIMUEL DIAZ said:

I am not sure how I should approached or troubleshoot this as I cannot see anything wrong on all the connections.

It's possible that there is a fault on one of the paralleling boards. if you're handy with electronics, I have a near-complete schematic trace for the parallel boards here.

I would also be inclined to wire in some sort of power meter, so you could (a) verify that power is indeed flowing into one of the inverters, and (b) under what circumstances this happens. "After an hour or so" suggests to me a gradual drift in phase between the two inverters, although stating well enough locked in phase over an hour suggests at least some synchronisation is happening.

My other thought is to check the power sharing between the two inverters, by leaving the display on output power, and compare how well they share various sized loads. The power should match within about 100 W (preferably within 50 W) at all power levels. At very low power levels (say under 200 W), the difference can be fairly large, but this does not matter.

Is your output wiring designed to maximise current sharing? For example, if the two inverters are "daisy chained" and the load is connected at one end of the chain, the inverter at the far end of the load will tend not to do its share. The AC-out leads from both inverters should be short, each inverter should have its own isolator (check that the isolators don't have significant voltage drops across them), and the AC-out leads should common at a sort of "star point". It's much the same as paralleling battery modules.

[NLEDiaz]

16 hours ago, Coulomb said:

It's possible that there is a fault on one of the paralleling boards. if you're handy with electronics, I have a near-complete schematic trace for the parallel boards here.

I would also be inclined to wire in some sort of power meter, so you could (a) verify that power is indeed flowing into one of the inverters, and (b) under what circumstances this happens. "After an hour or so" suggests to me a gradual drift in phase between the two inverters, although stating well enough locked in phase over an hour suggests at least some synchronisation is happening.

My other thought is to check the power sharing between the two inverters, by leaving the display on output power, and compare how well they share various sized loads. The power should match within about 100 W (preferably within 50 W) at all power levels. At very low power levels (say under 200 W), the difference can be fairly large, but this does not matter.

Is your output wiring designed to maximise current sharing? For example, if the two inverters are "daisy chained" and the load is connected at one end of the chain, the inverter at the far end of the load will tend not to do its share. The AC-out leads from both inverters should be short, each inverter should have its own isolator (check that the isolators don't have significant voltage drops across them), and the AC-out leads should common at a sort of "star point". It's much the same as paralleling battery modules.

I am ordering spare parallel boards to potentially address the "error 60" issue. I will try to install power meter as suggested above and see what I can find. I will also take note closely the output power of the two inverters to see how equally the loads are shared.

For your comment from last paragraph: I will try installing the wire length equally based on the farthest output wire length to maximize current sharing and to eliminate other possible cause.

For further info, I have attached the fault data histogram for more visibility and analysis as you may have other suspicion or comment to make. Thanks much...