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Often I have complained about the COCT and the billing systems and the method used for calculating usage.  Been struggling for 14 months to get my account "sorted"  Today I want to mention two people by name  Keith Watson and Cornie Malan.

Since my fights with  the council these two guys got involved and on the 27'thy of October Keith Watson replaced my Landis & Gyr meter against the will of many and took the risk.  Three days later we had good sun in Cape Town and my usage decreased by +/- 3Kwhr per day and my export jumped bu +/- 13Kwhr per day. After many back and forth emails they resolved all issues and following is the result of the efforts by these two guys.

I am quite sure that what they "fixed" will have an impact on other accounts as well.
The sooner you start pushing back to the grid the sooner you can have the same.

My account is down to R 90.44 for November and Dec it will be pay back time.

Thanks to them!!

Nov Import Kwhr Export Kwhr Pay Earn Payable Total Follow The Sun
1 10.368 -35.795 R 19.07 R-26.22 R-7.15 R-7.15 25.427
2 13.035 -30.875 R 23.98 R-22.61 R 1.36 R-5.78 17.840
3 13.778 -23.007 R 25.34 R-16.85 R 8.49 R 2.71 9.229
4 13.016 -28.900 R 23.94 R-21.17 R 2.77 R 5.48 15.884
5 15.845 -18.053 R 29.14 R-13.22 R 15.92 R 21.40 2.208
6 28.801 -0.617 R 52.97 R-0.45 R 52.52 R 73.93 -28.184
7 14.751 -21.579 R 27.13 R-15.80 R 11.33 R 85.25 6.828
8 15.615 -13.214 R 28.72 R-9.68 R 19.04 R 104.29 -2.401
9 9.456 -34.126 R 17.39 R-24.99 R-7.60 R 96.69 24.670
10 11.983 -31.204 R 22.04 R-22.85 R-0.81 R 95.88 19.221
11 10.390 -30.451 R 19.11 R-22.30 R-3.19 R 92.69 20.061
12 10.372 -34.922 R 19.08 R-25.58 R-6.50 R 86.19 24.550
13 15.727 -15.388 R 28.93 R-11.27 R 17.66 R 103.84 -0.339
14 13.441 -16.471 R 24.72 R-12.06 R 12.66 R 116.50 3.030
15 11.767 -36.838 R 21.64 R-26.98 R-5.34 R 111.17 25.071
16 10.838 -32.189 R 19.93 R-23.58 R-3.64 R 107.53 21.351
17 13.260 -29.036 R 24.39 R-21.27 R 3.12 R 110.65 15.776
18 10.667 -37.370 R 19.62 R-27.37 R-7.75 R 102.90 26.703
19 9.777 -38.085 R 17.98 R-27.89 R-9.91 R 92.99 28.308
20 9.732 -40.069 R 17.90 R-29.35 R-11.45 R 81.54 30.337
21 13.777 -22.624 R 25.34 R-16.57 R 8.77 R 90.31 8.847
22 10.226 -31.639 R 18.81 R-23.17 R-4.36 R 85.95 21.413
23 13.327 -13.556 R 24.51 R-9.93 R 14.58 R 100.53 0.229
24 13.154 -10.145 R 24.19 R-7.43 R 16.76 R 117.30 -3.009
25 12.232 -36.093 R 22.50 R-26.43 R-3.94 R 113.36 23.861
26 13.144 -33.772 R 24.18 R-24.73 R-0.56 R 112.80 20.628
27 11.092 -39.738 R 20.40 R-29.10 R-8.70 R 104.10 28.646
28 12.245 -41.768 R 22.52 R-30.59 R-8.07 R 96.03 29.523
29 11.801 -36.266 R 21.71 R-26.56 R-4.86 R 91.17 24.465
30 12.199 -31.639 R 22.44 R-23.17 R-0.73 R 90.44 19.440
  385.816 -845.429 R 709.63 R-619.19 R 90.44   459.613
               

 

 

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On 2020/12/08 at 3:37 PM, flamegrilled said:

Who is going to pay for the bi directional meter and the installation? R12K is the last I heard and the payback per kwh is only R0.68.Not worth it in my opinion

would be keen to find out what the real world experience is... thanks for sharing. because according to their guidelines (not sure if it still current or applies) SSEGs can't be net generators, meaning best case scenario is you can only feed back as much as you consume over a 12 month period.

- also isn't there a monthly tariff for the privilege of feeding back to the grid? is that factored in?

- they also put a limit on your generation capacity, ie, if you've a 60A breaker, 3.5kVA is the limit, does that still apply?

considering the above restrictions imho it seems feed-in doesn't make sense - for residential sseg's at least?

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On 2020/12/10 at 10:03 AM, MockTurtle said:

would be keen to find out what the real world experience is... thanks for sharing. because according to their guidelines (not sure if it still current or applies) SSEGs can't be net generators, meaning best case scenario is you can only feed back as much as you consume over a 12 month period.

- also isn't there a monthly tariff for the privilege of feeding back to the grid? is that factored in?

- they also put a limit on your generation capacity, ie, if you've a 60A breaker, 3.5kVA is the limit, does that still apply?

considering the above restrictions imho it seems feed-in doesn't make sense - for residential sseg's at least?

When it gets to limitations now that electricity is "privatized" a lot will change.  The limits I recon will fall away soon and there will be changes. Changes that will overrule the councils law.  The constitution is simple a local law can not over rule a national law.  The value of that is they can not force you against the national approved SSEG etc.  Very important to remember to push all electricity usage to the solar hours and that I use the diurnal pattern. Then remember your pool pump is taking 1Kw and calculate you power usage per day. 

If you use that it breaks down the costs of the council and then instead of going to 3Kw inverter use a 4Kw inverter. Little things make a huge difference when you try to beat the COCT, 

What is very important to understand is you are paying your account with electricity.  The next challenge for the law makers will be.

Do I return my unused electricity?  In other words.  If I use my 10Kwhr during the night  and I feed back 20Kwhr the next day is my cost 10 - 20 = 10 Kwhr sold to the council?  That is how all "good" gas, fuel all are calculated.

The way the council works is they buy the 20Kwr from you @ R 0.71c  and then sell it back to you the next day @ R 2.60 if you exceed the tariff step.  This is where it will make sense to put you TV's and light on a "small ups"  system so @ night you use minimal electricity and then you can improve your ROI drastically.  One does not need these fancy expensive batteries that cost a lot and you battle to get ROI on it.

Saying that if you use 10Kwhr per night my studies shoes that you will pay your batteries with in 3 years.

You are more than welcome to start a "power savings" topic but I don't all will be happy. I am looking at ways to decrease the cost of solar equipment so more can use it and therefore its not always a good topic to have as it does have an impact on certain businesses

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I have both Grid Tied and Off grid.

I am not saving because my off grid relies on Grid tied to charge batteries.

Grid Tied is geared for self consumption and this does not work as you need full sunshine and push back enable to save money.(proven)

The council imo does not want residential SSEG's to do this. I think this is why the connection fee(12K) and monthly costs(400+-) are so high coupled with the feeble packback (68c) for push back.

I have watched my Grid Tied inverter to see how it performs and in most cases consumes unless the sun is shining (summer time)and I have a large load on it otherwise the meter dial moves forward (light loads with enough solar to keep the meter dial steady) I am better off moving my Solar Panels to the off grid inverters.

 

I should have bought a hybrid instead, but at the time these items were expensive. If things were different with ESKOM and we had no breaks in power delivery ( GTI means nothing during load shedding) and the city council was not so greedy it would have worked.

 

 

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And finally my account is down to R9 per month.  After a huge struggle with the COCT I can reconcile my account and compare it matches the council.  They have a very sly way of calculating electricity and NOT water.  One month 28 days the next month 3X days...

This way they force users to use more than 600KWHr per month and then bill @ R 2.35 per KwHr creating additional income and over charging us.

Now the next 2Kwhr panels and that should start generating money.
Savings for now is between R 1800 - R 2300 per month depending of the days usage by the council.

If one applies normal calendar months the COCT has over charged my electricity account by R 6875  ext VAT. 

If you have to pay the COCT then you are also been robbed.

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