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I had a home  Axpert and monitored it with a Rasberry Pi running ICC. It gave beautiful remote access and I enjoyed the view.

But changed system to Victron (upgraded) and now I want to migrate my ICC to an adjacent cottage where I have a smaller Axpert running.

I am told ICC no longer supports my system and I have to upgrade to a new monthly package.

I cannot afford that just for the cottage - hardly occupied.

Are there alternative ways to have remote access to esp SOC and incoming and outgoing current? It is a 12v 1000w Axpert with a 12v 200A Mecer lithium ion (a cheapie but I only use the system for load shedding and do not use the panels.)

How do I know the SOC without having to attend next doors at the cottage?

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Depending on the distance, you could use one of these:

Range is dependent on walls etc... I installed one in a basement for monitoring upstairs.

[R452.00 40% OFF]DC 500V 50A 100A 200A 300A 500A Wireless Voltage Meter Ammeter Solar Battery Charging Coulometer Capacity Power Detector Tester Module Board from Electronic Components & Supplies on banggood
https://banggood.app.link/o9Af3H9Eihb

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I am told there is no such thing as a monthly subscription and the ICC license is valid  till past 2050.

Apparently the subscription only applies to people who buy the SMH package from  Centurion solar.

"There will be a R49.99 subscription per month to help pay for all the services offered, our dedicated support people, further development, cloud servers, etc, but once you take everything above into account, I am sure you will agree that it’s really not a lot to ask for all of this, and as mentioned, if you are an existing ICC user (regardless of where you bought it originally), you can register to be upgraded to SMH for free, and just pay the subscription from there."

 

I am looking at trying out the V4  kit with advanced power management contacted ICC directly and was told the license until at least 2050 ... and no subscriptions are charged.

https://iccsoftware.co.za/product/icc-pi-kit-licensed-with-advance-power-management-licensed/

 

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11 hours ago, isetech said:

I am told there is no such thing as a monthly subscription and the ICC license is valid  till past 2050.

Apparently the subscription only applies to people who buy the SMH package from  Centurion solar.

No. I have to MIGRATE from the previous inverter to a different one. Phoned to get the registration moved to a new inverter and expressly told I have to buy the "upgrade" and pay a monthly of R83.00.

Was a bit miffed because I only recently (a year and a half) spent much on a rasberry pi etc

 

11 hours ago, isetech said:

 

 

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12 hours ago, isetech said:

Apparently the subscription only applies to people who buy the SMH package from  Centurion solar.

 

 

looking at this again - yes that is me I suppose.  So no more support from Centurion and the supplier insists I buy new?

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@Clivevan just go to the link above posted by @isetech. That will take you the website of Manie who maintains, upgrades and sells the ICC-PI that I and many others worldwide have been using for many years. I have never had to pay for upgrades or a monthly fee. How Centurion fits into the picture I do not know or care about. 

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The way I understand it ... I paid R799 for the software from solar assistant ... I paid for the software on the SD card not the location/site ... I can move the SD card to which ever site I wish ... but cant copy the SD card to use on multiple sites  ... 1 x license per SD card ... per site. 

If I disconnect the unit and move the Pi and SD card loaded with the paid for software to another location there should be no fee or upgrade ... still the same license ... just a different location ... which I would have to update network SSID and password.

I am new to all this stuff ... please feel to correct me if I have got it all wrong.

Here is something else to consider with regards to remote viewing ... the Pi is a mini computer ... why cant you use a program like team viewer (for linux)  to remotely monitor and control your Pi? 

the same with watchpower ... is no way to load watch power onto a Pi and team viewer ... which would be free and not only allow you to view but also control 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A note ... Apparently Centurion solar and ICC are two completely separate entities.

ICC is a real software solution company with the latest version  4.3

Centurion solar has a program called "SMH" which is using version 1.3 of ICC ... who are apparently in a legal battle with ICC.

How I understand it ... if you upgrade from ICC or buy the SMH software ... which is using an older version of ICC ... you then pay a monthy subscription for the SMH package ... which includes the ICC software. 

Once again I wish someone would clear this up on the power forum ... there are just too many conflicting stories.

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On 2021/06/22 at 6:03 PM, Ian said:

Depending on the distance, you could use one of these:

Range is dependent on walls etc... I installed one in a basement for monitoring upstairs.

[R452.00 40% OFF]DC 500V 50A 100A 200A 300A 500A Wireless Voltage Meter Ammeter Solar Battery Charging Coulometer Capacity Power Detector Tester Module Board from Electronic Components & Supplies on banggood
https://banggood.app.link/o9Af3H9Eihb

I do not think this will work for me.

from the site:

A:
I think that the nature of the radio link is being misunderstood.
Judging by the NRF24 chip on the picture from the display rear I believe that the radio link is NOT so that the information can be displayed on a smart device etc. via bluetooth or wifi.
The radio link allows the supplied display to link to the sensors wireless. To achieve this the display would need to be powered locally, probably through the USB port.
I hope that this helps

 

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On 2021/06/23 at 8:56 AM, ebrsa said:

@Clivevan just go to the link above posted by @isetech. That will take you the website of Manie who maintains, upgrades and sells the ICC-PI that I and many others worldwide have been using for many years. I have never had to pay for upgrades or a monthly fee. How Centurion fits into the picture I do not know or care about. 

No this is merely the site of the ICC software producer - it may or may not be "Manie". It is the very site that now wants me to pay a second time/pay monthly.

I emailed them as follows:

I purchased the ICC software about 18 months ago. On Powerforum the members assure me I do not have to pay AGAIN or pay a subscription fee.
Is this correct?
Originally purchased through Centurion Solar and they now simply say they do not support any more.
How can I end up having to pay TWICE?

The answer came promptly:

 

Hi

 You can purchase the upgrade https://iccsoftware.co.za/product/icc-pi-v4-upgrade-only-old-versions-below-v4-key-valid-till-year-2063/

 Regards

ICC

 

The site informs:

Please not this is only for old versions, and versions not purchased directly from ICC. Please add your old machine ID to the order description. 

 

The good news!!!  It is only R250.00 so I will try it. Now to find out what my "machine ID" is. . . .

 

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21 hours ago, Clivevan said:

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Now to find out what my "machine ID" is. . . .

 

I think you need to go to "Settings" then "Axpert Parallel Setup" and it is at the bottom of the screen.

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  • 1 month later...

I decided to upgrade from ICC to SMH as soon as got the announcement.  Main reason was that now it looks some kind of a pro software so i can expect that SMH runs stable, more stable than ICC did (crashed quite often).  

I'm very pleased with SMH up to now. It has a nice dashboard including a lot of details about the whole system.  With EMONcms no longer on the same pi, rather than on a remote host, opens the possibility to access it from anywhere over the internet. I used GPIO to do some load balancing based on the battery status.  It has been renamed to APM but looks quite the same. I understand that it is being phased out. Therefore i'm looking for another Home Assistent solution. 

I installed OpenHAB on a pi.  At first glance it looks as it would be overkill for my requirements:  Enable/disable pool pump, start power generator if needed, heat water boiler, and charge the EV if battery allows (planed). 

If all of this functions work properly SMH brings added value to me.  I'm therefore not surprised to pay a regular fee (of course not too high as i do not make money with my solar system). 

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On 2021/06/23 at 10:48 AM, isetech said:

A note ... Apparently Centurion solar and ICC are two completely separate entities.

ICC is a real software solution company with the latest version  4.3

Centurion solar has a program called "SMH" which is using version 1.3 of ICC ... who are apparently in a legal battle with ICC.

How I understand it ... if you upgrade from ICC or buy the SMH software ... which is using an older version of ICC ... you then pay a monthy subscription for the SMH package ... which includes the ICC software. 

Once again I wish someone would clear this up on the power forum ... there are just too many conflicting stories.

My subscription is only R50 a month, and taken into account all the things I get with it, it's really not a lot.  I am not sure what all the other guys are on about ICC.  I have been a user for a few years before I upgraded.  The service I got from Manie and co was very nice, UNTIL I started asking questions, etc.  I was either met with a disgusting one liner mail, or simply ignored.  

On top of that, ask yourself why the licenses sold through them are "free forever"..  That's because they have NO expense.  You can't call them (only for sales, no technical support), you can't drive there to talk with them (apparently this manie guy lives in Phalaborwa and works on a mine last I heard), so they don't have any offices to pay, they don't give you a cloud portal where your data is logged indefinitely (they force you to figure out how to use emoncms yourself, register for an account at emoncms.org, and then end up paying over 1 British Pound PER FEED per year. 

Hell, ICC has over a hundred feeds in total...  At today's exchange rate that's over R2000 a year just to be able to see my data in the cloud, then I am not even accounting for the initial purchase price of the software.  SMH costs me R570excl a year, so you decide for yourself.  ICC does not have a web-app, and are still using the same platform since 2015. Centurion Solar's SMH has a BEAUTIFUL interface, see https://centurionsolar.co.za/solar-management-hub/. Contrary to what @isetech heard, SMH does NOT use ANY code WHATSOEVER from ICC (I confirmed this with both Johan and the original coder for ICC (Jaco, who is also the lead programmer for SMH), so whoever says that it's using version 1.3 of ICC is either misinformed or purposely lying. 

Lastly, if anyone of you every called Johan at Centurion Solar (something you cannot do with the guys at ICC, you can ONLY email them), you will probably agree that he is the most helpful, very knowledgeable and friendly person I have met in a while, and has absolute passion for what he does.  Yes, they have a subscription, yes, it's R50 a month, yes, they give you cloud portals, web apps, home automation (another thing ICC charges money for as well), support, someone you can actually call, an office you can walk in to for free advice or help, software that doesn't need 5 million updates to "fix" this or "fix" that, etc etc.  Check the link above to see everything I get for a fricking measly R50 a month.   Compared to my solar system that cost me over 300k, I honestly think that anyone complaining should get over themselves.

To top everything, my system was bought from Manie initially, and Johan at Centurion Solar even did the SMH upgrade for me WITHOUT charging me "a conversion fee" (as ICC does) or anything.  He simply said that I paid for the initial license, so it will be upgraded for free, and I can still keep using SMH even without all the bells and whistles mentioned above, should I decide not to subscribe, so I wasn't forced into anything. 

So, coming back to the question that was asked to begin this thread, the user simply asked for an alternative and not delve into politics, which seems to be the main thing that happens when anyone mentions anything else apart from ICC.  Alternatives I have looked at include:

SMH (duh)

Axpi (still in dev, also don't provide emoncms as part of the deal, last I checked)

Riot (more enterprise based, but I didn't like the interface)

Solarmon (I am not sure if they sill support the axpert range)

A bunch of open source ones found on Github, some with, some without GUI interfaces.

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Hi Dexitt

Just glad that you are happy & comfortable with what you have & the services you are getting. Also glad that you are happy with the amount of money that you are paying for that service. 

Some unfortunately have a different opinion. Some like Sunsynks others like Axpert, ultimately as long as we are all comfortable that's all that matters.

Yes, there was Split in the company & that was probably an event that made the two different parties split opinions. That's their business & as long as which ever side you are on & happy with whatever you get, then goodluck to you. 

Each man's preference at end of the day. I however, out of respect to the next man won't try to convince you otherwise or try to win you over to my side & call your side a bluff or Dud. 

I wish life was so simple 😂 it's pure business & politics no matter which point of view you have 🍺🍺

87

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9 hours ago, 87 Dream said:

Hi Dexitt

Just glad that you are happy & comfortable with what you have & the services you are getting. Also glad that you are happy with the amount of money that you are paying for that service. 

Some unfortunately have a different opinion. Some like Sunsynks others like Axpert, ultimately as long as we are all comfortable that's all that matters.

Yes, there was Split in the company & that was probably an event that made the two different parties split opinions. That's their business & as long as which ever side you are on & happy with whatever you get, then goodluck to you. 

Each man's preference at end of the day. I however, out of respect to the next man won't try to convince you otherwise or try to win you over to my side & call your side a bluff or Dud. 

I wish life was so simple 😂 it's pure business & politics no matter which point of view you have 🍺🍺

87

Hats off to you sir! Well said! 🍻

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For the record ... I decided to go with solar assistant ... I get the information I require without any further cost to me or the customer ... we had a few challenges in the beginning which have been sorted out.

I decided against outlaying more money to "try" other systems ... too much "he said this and they said that" ... at the end of the day ... I just want a system which collects the data which I can view as and when required.

 

 

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ICC IS NOW SMH!

 

If ICC is now SMH ... they must own the ICC website ? 

Maybe creating all this hype to get free advertising on forums ? 

Excuse my ignorance ... but I am confused. 

ICC say SMH are running old software ... SMH are say ICC cant run home automation and a list of other features ... yet SMH are saying they are ICC.

(by the way Dexitt I have no reason to misinform or Lie to anyone ... you should try contacting either one of these companies ... its a joke) this is the reason I chose to go with Solar assistant. 

 

 

 

 

 

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It seems there is a lot of confusion about the ICC-Pi Software suppliers. Since I have been using it since it was a Windows only app and had contact with the two developers, Jaco and Manie, I hope some background will clarify the issue. The original Windows app was donationware. After some time the RPi app became the standard only app available. At some point Jaco and Manie parted  company and since then Manie continued to supply and develop the ICC-PI app. At a later date Centurion Solar became a reseller of the ICC-PI app.

Some time ago Manie and Centurion Solar also severed their relationship and Centurion now supply their own app, whatever the origin or code base may be. So the two current suppliers are ICCSoftware which is Manie's enterprise and Centurion Solar which supplies a similar app. The two websites are named after the suppliers and relevant information about their products and prices are available on each. 

I hope this clarifies matters. 

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