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Proportional SSR Geyser Control

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The proportional SSR (also called phase angle controller) is something that not many are familiar with.

This unit can control the current to a resistive load by varying the input. The input can be either 0-10VDC, 0-5VDC or 4-20mA.

This is a wonderful device since it can switch on at any time during the sine wave. See the picture of the wave forms. This effectively limits the amps to the load.

I have tested this successfully on my geyser and old incandescent light bulbs.

I know of 2 brands, Celduc and Crydom. I have a Celduc one at home. They are expensive though. I think R2000 for the Crydom one via RS components.

With my Sunsynk inverter I would like to utilize this device to heat my geyser when there are excess PV available.

Here is what I want to do:

Using a Arduino board with a DAC I can set the reference on the SSR. I want to monitor my power from grid usage using Home Assistant and use that to control the reference on my SSR. That way on cloudy days I can send as little as 100w to the geyser element.

The problem is that I do not know of any micro controller that has a 0-5V,0-10V or 4-20mA output. I have played a bit with the Nodemcu on HA.

Does the community have any ideas on how to reference a 0-5V or 0-10V while monitoring the inverter power?

 

 

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I used an Arduino (esp32 or nodemcu should work) with a 4-20ma converter and PWM to drive my SSR. I added this to theArduino and added some PWM conditioning or integration to the PWM output before feeding this module. There are PWM libraries online. All 5V microcontrollers can output 0-5V but only as PWM. Then you smooth that for 0-5V.

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I used a Time proportional SSR in my geyser and you can see there (my thread on here) what I did.

This here is a pressure controller (based on a software PID in the Arduino) with a 4-20mA module I referred to above. Its the little daughter board standing vertical. If the SSR can use 0-5V input, you can save that cost for the module. Just do PWM on a 5V micro and you can go from 0% tp 11 on the dial ;)

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Which 5v micro controller can be configured with Tasmota? Would be great if I can still use a small board like the NodeMCU or Wemos.

What do you use for smoothing?

Espressif ESP8255, ESP32, ESP32-S or ESP32-C3 chipset based device can be flashed with Tasmota. All of these as fas as I know are 3V devices. 
Smoothing is done by means of a rC circuit. Look up voltage smoothing or pwm smoothing circuits or integrators. 3.3V will get you to 66% on time or 66% of power delivery on a 0-5V SCR. Even some SSR devices can be switched on from 3V.

Solid State Relay (SSR) 40A AC, Control 3-32V DC. These are available locally. Search for the text at the start of this paragraph.

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  • 4 years later...

Went down this road recently. Worth keeping in mind that most SSRs sold locally are fakes, specifically fotek fakes. See: https://protosupplies.com/inferior-counterfeit-fotek-ssr-25-solid-state-relays-on-the-market/

I recently purchased from a local supplier (I don't blame them, I expect they weren't aware - I'm just trying to point out that we are likely not buying real/properly rated SSRs here), and it was sold as a "SSR-60 DA", implying 60A rated switching current. After realising this is likely not a real fotek (no datasheet available for this alleged model from fotek, which is a reputable brand), turns out its got a 40A BTA41 1000B triac inside, which in all fairness is way better than what I expected given that its absolutely not a legitimate fotek SSR. Just know what you're getting. Given these tend to fail closed, I'd never trust a locally sourced SSR after this.

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