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Axpert King 5kva - good PV input voltage and current but low PV input watt


Ethan

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Hi Guys,

I'm new to the forum and the solar DIY thing.

Recently, I add a small PV array to my Axpert invert in order to prolong the battery running time during the extreme power outage, i.e. stage 6 load shedding in day time.

PV setup as following:

  • 5 panels in series
  • total 500w 
  • max Vmp 85v
  • max Imp 6A 

The system is working fine but there is an interest finding when I had time to look at the perform carefully. My invert is reporting a set of mismatching figures. for example, when PV voltage is 76.8v, current is 6A, the total PV input watt is only 340w.

I know the Amp value is reported as integer (with a potential round up/down), but even though, use 5A to calculate a conservative value, my PV input watt is expected at 384w or above. 

Anyone has a clue of what is happening here?

BR,

Ethan

PS: I use power watch app to display PV voltage and watt, Amp reading is from the inverter, so that all three figures could be showing in the same photo.

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5 panels in series. At what is the panels Voc per panel and I max? What length and size is your pv cable? Do you have access to a multimeter to test the pv V? What is the max pv input V of your inverter? 

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Hi Vaal,

I use 6mm2 cables throughout, +/-15m length between PV and inverter. I think you are right, I could identify the "over counted" figure/s by measuring each panel individually. Thanks for the advice, I will make the measure once I returned, just left for a trip.

For now, I'm more interesting to find out whether other people also seeing the same inverter behaviour, or just only me.

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PS: I do admit that producing 340w from a 500w array isn't the optimal setup. This is due to the limited space in my backyard to play around the directions and angles, after all, it is a temporary setup anyway. Therefore, my purpose to initial this thread is not try to optimise my PV setup but other to understand my inverter better. 

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Finally, got chance to do the measurement after a hectic week. In a nutshell, the Voltage & Amp from PVs align with the value reported by the Inverter. The question is around the value of "PV input power". I felt this value seems to be an "usable PV input power" as it fits the equation of "grid+pv = battery + consumption" perfectly.

In other words, MPPT received ± 420w from PV but only feed ±350w to the bus bar. Is this ratio (350/420) reasonable?

watt meter measurement

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Energy flow

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In your first post, I note that the PV current is 6 A, which lines up with your PV power: 56.7 V (battery) * 6 A = 340 W.

So many people assume that PV current is the panel current; like most battery chargers, it's the current at the output of the charger, not the input (panel) current.

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On 2024/04/11 at 3:25 PM, Ethan said:

PS: I do admit that producing 340w from a 500w array isn't the optimal setup. 

Don't be so harsh on your system. Although 2 days have full sunshine the production can vary. Take for instance yesterday the irradiance was much lower in Gauteng than normal days. This is on a north facing 1300W string. 

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26 minutes ago, Scorp007 said:

Don't be so harsh on your system. Although 2 days have full sunshine the production can vary. Take for instance yesterday the irradiance was much lower in Gauteng than normal days. This is on a north facing 1300W string. 

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@Scorp007 as you said, yesterday nice sunny day but sun eradiation a bit on the low side. I usually get my system to produce about 4.3 KW at midday. Yesterday max at 3.57.

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40 minutes ago, Antonio de Sa said:

@Scorp007 as you said, yesterday nice sunny day but sun eradiation a bit on the low side. I usually get my system to produce about 4.3 KW at midday. Yesterday max at 3.57.

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What is interesting is on the bad day like yesterday there is less of a drop after 12h00 when I get some shade from the apex of a roof. This string is nearly flat on a car port. 

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