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Axpert Parallel - ICC

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    Sooooo . . . . Before blaming ICC make sure to check your inverters      I had a sneaky suspicion that something else was causing my problem, after posting above that everything was sorted i

  • My guess would be that either the Axpert's voltage settings or the ICC battery settings are conflicting with the changes that you want to make - and then the system automatically changes back accordin

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On 2021/08/08 at 6:11 PM, Vladimir said:

Update to previous post: It seems to be related to the Current sharing cables.

But why then do they operate in parallel perfectly with no PV input? Or, by the sounds, with only one having PV input.

What firmware did the new inverter come with?

On 2021/08/08 at 6:11 PM, Vladimir said:

There is supposed to be some voltage or current on the "Current sharing cables", right?

I've never figured that out. I can see that they read some value from some ADC (analog) input and store it away, but I have no idea how they measure the current (if that's what they do) or how they convert that to a voltage that the DSP can read.

Unless another owner has had this problem and figured out a solution, I think (assuming that you can use PV on one input successfully) you might just have to get another MPPT that charges the battery from one of the high voltage strings. And sell your spare inverter, or just keep it as a spare.

Parallel boards do fail sometimes. It might be worth getting at least one paralleling kit (board plus one of each type of cable). Try replacing one set, then the other.

Otherwise, sorry, this one has me stumped.

13 hours ago, Vladimir said:

I found a likely solution in the service manual.

Oops, I didn't see your follow up on the new page. Yes, I guess part of the amplifiers for the current sharing might be on the control board. They might be connected with pins 3 and 4 of CN9, called O/P J+ and O/P J- respectively on some schematics.

@Coulomb, first thanks for your response.

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But why then do they operate in parallel perfectly with no PV input? Or, by the sounds, with only one having PV input.

No idea... maybe the MPPT tracking brings some instability in the system.

 

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What firmware did the new inverter come with?

The new inverter came with 71.87 i thought this can not be much different from the updated 71.82 on the old models. I was affraid that a downgrade 71.87-> 71.82 was not worth the risk on a new device.

Thanks for your recommendation

  • I will order 2 parallel kits (at least they can be spares)
  • Check current sharing components on the controll board (per post above)

 

 

43 minutes ago, Vladimir said:

The new inverter came with 71.87 i thought this can not be much different from the updated 71.82 on the old models.

Oops! How can we both have missed this? There has been 71.86 for VM IIs (NOTE: there are completely incompatible King firmwares with the same number!) here:
 

 

So you can at least take the old ones to 71.86. It might even fix your problem. Version numbers!

45 minutes ago, Vladimir said:

I was afraid that a downgrade 71.87-> 71.82 was not worth the risk on a new device.

I'd agree with that.

47 minutes ago, Vladimir said:

maybe the MPPT tracking brings some instability in the system.

It's a really delicate dance to control the bus voltage, especially on these high voltage SCC models. The bus voltage is pushed and pulled by fluctuating solar input, load, and battery charging requirements (at least the latter changes more slowly). Then with paralleled inverters, you have to balance the loads, which is another source of instability.

Add to that the Axperts' legendary tendency to overshoot... 🤯

  • 1 year later...
On 7. 8. 2021 at 21:26, Vladimir said:

Ahoj chlapci, ahoj Coulomb,

Mám problém s paralelným 2x Axpert MK II (Easun Solar SMV II) 5KVA/ max450V solar.

Keď oba invertory fungujú a oba invertory majú solárny vstup, výstupné napätie kolíše, FV sa stáva nestabilnou a každých pár sekúnd FV vstup náhle klesne na 0W a dokonca je vidieť blikanie žiaroviek v celom dome...

  • Každý menič beží ako jeden funguje perfektne - výstup 230 V aj nabíjanie MPPT
  • Len s jedným invertorom zapnutým v paralelnom nastavení fungujú oba invertory dobre ako nabíjačky MPPT, poskytujú solárny vstup 2x2500W, ale výstup je obmedzený len na jeden invertor
  • Paralelne 2x5kW dávajú výkon až 10kW -stabilný ako skala bez kolísania ale bez solárneho,
  • ... ale keď je na oboch solárny vstup, systém sa stáva nestabilným (kolísavé výstupné napätie 210-240V, výstupný výkon +-50% a FV kolísanie v rozmedzí 0-5000W v priebehu niekoľkých sekúnd ako na horskej dráhe ... prekvapivo to tu nevypisuje žiadnu chybu, ale FV generácia kolíše a výstupný výkon je takmer nepoužiteľný

Čo som doteraz urobil - bez úspechu:

  • aktualizovaný firmware zo 71.50 na 71.82 (ako bolo zverejnené na tomto fóre, bola tu diskusia s nestabilnými paralelnými Axpertmi)
  • kúpil nový menič, vyskúšal Old1+New, potom Old2 + New.... žiadna zmena
  • Obviňoval som súčasné káble zdieľania, tak som ich skrátil, nahradil som ich hrubšími káblami a skontroloval som to v režime kontinuity
  • Vyskúšal som nové zapojenie - všetky káble mali rovnakú dĺžku atď... skontrolovali paralelné pripojenie atď.
  • Pokúsil som sa odstrániť výstupný istič a pripojiť paralelné výstupy priamo, aby sa minimalizovalo akékoľvek rušenie

 

Oba invertory sú pripojené k jednej batériovej banke (400Ah olovený uhlík paralelne s 200Ah lifepo4 - dobre testované). Každý invertor má samostatné FV pole (2x 2500W zaťažené panely okolo 200V - jeden mierne na západ a druhý mierne na východ.

Nejaký nápad, čo ešte môžem urobiť? Možno je chyba v paralelnej doske, ale nedá sa to zistiť inak, ako kúpiť dve nové dosky... čo je dosť nákladné. Alebo môže dôjsť k akémukoľvek druhu interferencie medzi FV poliami?

 

Ďakujem veľmi pekne za pomoc, každé fungujúce riešenie bude odmenou.

S pozdravom,

Vladimír, Česká republika.

 

 

 

 

   

Ahoj, vyriešil si problém? Mám paralelne dva meniče Easun SV IV 5,6kW a ten istý problém. Už som vyskúšal všetko, nič nepomohlo.

 

17 hours ago, Jaro said:

Ahoj, vyriešil si problém? Mám paralelne dva meniče Easun SV IV 5,6kW a ten istý problém. Už som vyskúšal všetko, nič nepomohlo.

Google translation:

Hi, did you solve the problem? I have two Easun SV IV 5.6kW inverters in parallel and the same problem. I already tried everything, nothing helped.

Hi, I did not solve the problem. I currently run only one inverter, which limits the output power to 5kW, the second inverter is used just as MPPT charger. 

  • 1 month later...

Ahoj Vlado,

ja som kúpil samostatný MPPT nabíjač, na ktorý som pripojil jednu vetvu panelov. Druhú vetvu panelov mám napojenú na jeden z invertorov. Takže jeden invertor ide z panelov a druhý bez panelov iba z batérie. Takto môžem využiť plný výkon z paralelnej sústavy (11,2kW) a výstup je stabilný, nekmitá. Stálo ma to ďalších  230eur. Ak prídeš na iné riešenie napíš prípadne pošli SMS.

Jaro (Slovensko 0903645971)

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