Coulomb Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Patched Firmware version 74.40e for 48 V PF1.0 58.4 V 5 kW models This is the first version of our patched firmware based on factory firmware version 74.40 for the Axpert MKS (NOTE: NOT 64V) and equivalents. There was no 74.40a-d. We jumped straight to "e" so that "e" (and later) would indicate the presence of the kettle-compensation feature, as in 73.00e for PF0.8 models, and 72.20e for PF1.0 64 V models. This patched firmware has all the same patches as both 73.00e, 72.20e, and earlier patched firmwares, including Dynamic Charge and Load Control, AussieView™, and KettleKomp™. This includes fixing the infamous premature float bugs. For more detail and the actual files to download, see the AEVA post in PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters. Edited August 3, 2020 by Coulomb Changed heading and title to remove "beta" Fuenkli and Kilowatt Power 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquarat Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) Hi all Please help: can I install the "Beta Version of Patched Firmware 71.80d for PIP-5048MK/Axpert King 5K" on my machine (details below)? I've got a machine that says "Model: SOL-I-AX-5KP" on the side. It's branded Mecer. Solar charger is rated at Max 145 VDC, rated current 80A. As far as I can tell it is a genuine Axpert King 5 kW machine. I purchased it a few days ago to replace a dodgy CB Solar clone unit (Must Power PH1800). Current firmware versions (app): Main CPU: 71.90 Bluetooth: 0.24 SCC CPU1: 1.10 and firmware versions on display: V1: 71.90 V2: 02.40 V3: 00.24 V4: 01.10 The machine mostly works, it just exhibits the premature float voltage charge mode bug (I'm using it with Lead Acid batteries) and it also sometimes gets into a mode where it continuously connects and disconnects the solar array (6x270w panels installed in 2012). The PV continuous connect/disconnect behaviour seems to only occur, so far, if the inverter is turned off and back on when the sun is out (a slow ramp in voltage doesn't seem to trigger the behaviour). Separately, for those who like Linux and run Home Assistant/MQTT, I've taken an app written for the older Axpert model inverters and modified it for use with my King unit (based on a protocol spec PDF). It is a headless app that comfortably runs on a Raspberry Pi Zero W and bridges the inverter to MQTT, allowing Home Assistant to read stats from the inverter and even more critically allows apps to write commands to the inverter (think NodeRED in HA). I'm still testing it and ironing out some minor bugs but I'll package it up neatly when it's ready. The COOLEST part of this is that the Pi Zero W comfortably runs off the OTG port on the inverter - so one cable allows the Pi to both get power from the inverter and query the inverter via the virtual USB serial port. Any suggestions regarding firmware would be great Edited March 15, 2020 by aquarat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulomb Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, aquarat said: Please help: can I install the "Beta Version of Patched Firmware 71.80d for PIP-5048MK/Axpert King 5K" on my machine (details below)? You perhaps could, but I'd hold off for now; see below. Quote I've got a machine that says "Model: SOL-I-AX-5KP" on the side. It's branded Mecer. Mecers are genuine Voltronic Power inverter-chargers. As long as your label is genuine, it's a genuine Voltronic. Quote Current firmware versions (app): Main CPU: 71.90 That's more recent than what I have. Quote V2: 02.40 That appears to be quite a lot more recent than what I have (02.00). It might not work properly with 71.90. The incompatibilities might only be in PylonTech support, but we can't be certain. 71.90 quite possibly has a lot of bug fixes for PylonTech support. But you are using a lead acid battery at present. Do you think you might use a PylonTech battery (or one that emulates PylonTech commands) in the future? Quote The machine mostly works, it just exhibits the premature float voltage charge mode bug (I'm using it with Lead Acid batteries) and it also sometimes gets into a mode where it continuously connects and disconnects the solar array (6x270w panels installed in 2012). The PV continuous connect/disconnect behaviour seems to only occur, so far, if the inverter is turned off and back on when the sun is out (a slow ramp in voltage doesn't seem to trigger the behaviour). The problem with 71.80 [ edit: was 71.90, sigh ] is that it might have more PV bugs than that, causing the dips and freezes. These should be fixed in 71.86, but I've not seen confirmation. Weber and I have not gotten around to patching 71.86 for Kings as yet. It's possible that time will tell that 71.90 is stable and relatively bug free (except for the premature float bugs of course), and Weber or I might come across a firmware update file for 71.90. At this point we'd prefer to wait to see if that happens and then patch that rather than 71.86. For now, consider 71.80d obsolete (for recent King models at least). To work around the premature float bug for the time being, I suggest you try using setting 32 ("bulk charging time"). I'd set it to something like 150 minutes (2.5 hours). That's because of your present relatively light PV power total of 1.6 kW. You didn't say what the capacity of your battery is, so I can't guess closer than that. When you get it right, the battery charge current should fall to about 6 amps (a fifth of your maximum charge current, which should be in amps about 15% of your battery capacity in Ah) and the battery voltage should still be around the bulk/absorb setting (setting 26). Sorry we don't have better options for you at this point. We're at the mercy of firmware update file availability. Also, 74.40e was a lot of work, and I'm sure Weber and I would like not to have to patch more firmware for a while Edited March 15, 2020 by Coulomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquarat Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Coulomb said: That's more recent than what I have. Ah interesting! Is there any way of dumping the current firmware without opening the machine? (I don't want to break the warranty, like I did with the Must Power unit... long story, I was trying to clean it) Quote But you are using a lead acid battery at present. Do you think you might use a PylonTech battery (or one that emulates PylonTech commands) in the future? I'm *mostly* not planning on adding fancy batteries currently (sticking with VRLA(?) mostly for backup). Quote The problem with 71.90 is that it might have more PV bugs than that, causing the dips and freezes. It mostly works, it seems, it just sometimes disconnects the array, waits a few seconds, reconnects and repeats continuously until the sun goes down. It generally doesn't seem to be as efficient with solar conversion as the dodgy MUST POWER unit I had - but the MP unit may have had inflated numbers. Quote Weber and I have not gotten around to patching 71.86 for Kings as yet. It's possible that time will tell that 71.90 is stable and relatively bug free (except for the premature float bugs of course), haha @ "of course". How are you doing the firmware patching? As in, are you trying to read, understand and modify the firmware machine code directly (as opposed to compiling from source)? That's not for the faint of heart/headache material. Quote To work around the premature float bug for the time being, I suggest you try using setting 32 ("bulk charging time"). I'd set it to something like 150 minutes (2.5 hours). That's because of your present relatively light PV power total of 1.6 kW. You didn't say what the capacity of your battery is, so I can't guess closer than that. When you get it right, the battery charge current should fall to about 6 amps (a fifth of your maximum charge current, which should be in amps about 15% of your battery capacity in Ah) and the battery voltage should still be around the bulk/absorb setting (setting 26). Sorry we don't have better options for you at this point. We're at the mercy of firmware update file availability. Also, 74.40e was a lot of work, and I'm sure Weber and I would like not to have to patch more firmware for a while no worries My setup is fairly basic, but I will probably expand the size of the PV array before next summer. Unfortunately my house's roof(s) are poorly oriented for solar. I'm using a set of 4x 12V 102Ah silver-calcium lead acid batteries from National Battery in series. I phoned them and they gave me a figure of 59.2 V (series) for bulk/absorb, 54.4 V float and 45.6 V lowest permissible voltage. My unit seems to go to the float voltage prematurely regardless of the absorb timeout setting, but I need to test this, I'll do this tomorrow There's a metric from the inverter called "Time until the end of float charging"... but it emits values that don't really make sense. I've attached a graph of the output over the last 24 hours (ignore the 'm' unit, that's part of my HA unit config). Edited March 15, 2020 by aquarat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulomb Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 7 hours ago, aquarat said: Is there any way of dumping the current firmware without opening the machine? Short answer: no. 7 hours ago, aquarat said: How are you doing the firmware patching? As in, are you trying to read, understand and modify the firmware machine code directly (as opposed to compiling from source)? Yes. It's time consuming. 7 hours ago, aquarat said: I'm using a set of 4x 12V 102Ah silver-calcium lead acid batteries from National Battery in series. That's very light for a 5 kW inverter. Half the recommended capacity (200 Ah). Quote I phoned them and they gave me a figure of 59.2 V (series) for bulk/absorb, 54.4 V float and 45.6 V lowest permissible voltage. Wow. 59.2 V (14.8 V per 12 V module) is quite high for a sealed battery. 45.6 V (11.4 V per 12 V module) is quite low; I would not go near there for longevity of the overworked battery. Quote My unit seems to go to the float voltage prematurely regardless of the absorb timeout setting, but I need to test this, I'll do this tomorrow Oh. Well, please let me know, because otherwise I need to change my advice (to others as well as you) for working around the premature float bug. Quote There's a metric from the inverter called "Time until the end of float charging"... but it emits values that don't really make sense. I can't imagine where that comes from, or what you'd do with it. Float charging is forever, unless the battery voltage drops low enough, and then it's to soon start a new bulk charge stage. 9 hours ago, Coulomb said: The problem with 71.80 [ edit: was 71.90, sigh ] is that it might have more PV bugs than that, Sorry about the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquarat Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Coulomb said: That's very light for a 5 kW inverter. Half the recommended capacity (200 Ah). It was a somewhat rushed purchase due to load shedding. I have a generator, but naturally it makes a noise (despite it being "silenced), so I don't run it at night/early morning. The generator output is also unstable. We had existing solar panels with *very* dodgy grid-tie inverters installed circa 2012 (DIY/self-install). These micro-inverters generated a ton of RF noise. The King is mostly great because it smooths out the generator output (in online mode), utilises the existing PV array and provides a load-shedding backup. It's definitely on my to-do list to upgrade both the batteries and panels. The batteries to something LiFePO4 based probably, I just need to research the topic properly. Quote Wow. 59.2 V (14.8 V per 12 V module) is quite high for a sealed battery. 45.6 V (11.4 V per 12 V module) is quite low; I would not go near there for longevity of the overworked battery. and here I was thinking I was doing the right stuff to make them last longer So this machine is really odd. Maybe I've got the config wrong: If I set the float voltage to 56.4 V, the unit does the PV array on/off continuous cycling thing. If I set the float voltage to 59.2 V, it connects the array and powers the load with the PV power. This is obviously not a sustainable configuration. I've noticed the bus voltage shifts from ~390 V to 410 V when it's conforming power from the solar array. It may be related to "battery_recharge_voltage" and "battery_redischarge_voltage" (this is the equivalent of stop discharge when grid is available/stop charge when grid available). I've quoted the current configuration below if you don't mind checking over it (I've removed the obvious config options - the defaults are first): ================ Settings ================== Parameter Current Unit Default Over_Temperature_Restart enabled Overload_Bypass enabled Overload_Restart enabled Power_Saving disabled ac_input_voltage 230.0 V ac_output_active_power 5000 W ac_output_apparent_power 5000 VA ac_output_current 21.7 A ac_output_frequency 50.0 Hz 50.0 ac_output_voltage 230.0 V 230.0 battery_bulk_charge_voltage 59.4 V 56.4 battery_float_charge_voltage 59.3 V 54.0 battery_recharge_voltage 57.0 V 46.0 battery_redischarge_voltage 57.0 V 54.0 battery_type User AGM battery_under_voltage 45.0 V 42.0 battery_voltage 48.0 V charger_source_priority Utility first Solar + Utility input_voltage_range UPS UPS machine_type Off Grid max_ac_charging_current 10 A 0030 max_battery_cv_charging_time 900 s max_charging_current 010 A 60 operation_logic Online Mode automatic output_mode single machine output single machine output output_source_priority Solar first Utility first pv_power_balance PV input max power will be the sum of the max charged power and loads power (the dip towards the end of the graph is the MPPT system engaging after setting the float voltage higher) Edited March 16, 2020 by aquarat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulomb Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 hours ago, aquarat said: If I set the float voltage to 56.4 V, the unit does the PV array on/off continuous cycling thing. If I set the float voltage to 59.2 V, it connects the array and powers the load with the PV power. That's pretty weird. When it connects to the array, it presumably isn't in float stage at all (in float stage, the middle LED will be lit solid). 3 hours ago, aquarat said: I've noticed the bus voltage shifts from ~390 V to 410 V when it's conforming power from the solar array. This may have something to do with the buck converter. By presumed block diagram doesn't have the buck stage, and I don't know what side of the buck stage the AC to DC converter connects. Quote It may be related to "battery_recharge_voltage" and "battery_redischarge_voltage" ? I don't see why. 3 hours ago, aquarat said: I've quoted the current configuration below if you don't mind checking over it Nothing stands out, apart from your experimental bulk/absorb and float voltages. 3 hours ago, aquarat said: I note that the open circuit PV voltage is getting awfully close to the 130 V rampdown point, and is often over the 115 VDC "PV Array MPPT Voltage Range" specification. I wonder if that has something to do with the PV disconnection. I've never seen firmware for a King's SCC to see if the power derating ramp differs to the ones I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquarat Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I experimented a bit more today: it seems to start disconnecting/connecting the PV array when the float voltage is set to a value lower than 57.1 VDC. I'm guessing that it can't bring the voltage from the array close enough to the normal float voltage, so it just drops the array (in simplistic terms). I originally based the wiring of the panels on wanting reduced current and the Must Power clone unit, which indicated that up to 130 VDC was acceptable (the panels don't seem to get above 121 VDC open circuit) - whoops. I'm really not in the mood to rewire them haha . Thanks for the insights/verification of my unit's config^ Coulomb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulomb Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 6 hours ago, aquarat said: I experimented a bit more today: it seems to start disconnecting/connecting the PV array when the float voltage is set to a value lower than 57.1 VDC. Interesting. I note that 57.1 x 7 = 399.7 V, so maybe something is trying to keep the bus voltage above 400 V. A long shot, but something for me to look out for when reading the firmware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquarat Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) Ah that is insightful. On that note, I thought you might find the bus voltage graph for today interesting (along with the PV output). The bus voltage seemingly dropped in sympathy with the PV output during the course of the day. There were no drop-outs; the gap in the afternoon data was due to me refining the bridge software. The inverter also indicated occasional "battery discharge current"... which is odd. I assume this is something to do with 57.2 V being above 57 V probably not great. Edited March 17, 2020 by aquarat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquarat Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) I reconfigured the solar array from 3:2 (series:parallel) to 2:3. This brought the theoretical open circuit voltage from 130 VDC down to 86.8 VDC (Pmax of 105 V to 70 V). The inverter seems to target 62 V as the Pmax voltage. The inverter still continuously cuts out the array if the battery float voltage is set to anything lower than 57.2 V. There seems to be an improvement in power generation of around 33% - so that's nice (this could also be due to renewal of the connectors during array reconfiguration). Edited March 25, 2020 by aquarat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrahim Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 yu guys on this forum are a tremendous help. so my axpert is working well, especially after the advice I got from this forum, my settings seem to be optimal for my system, however I do still have the kettle problem, any way I can solve that? would a firmware upgrade help? my current firmware is 72.30 and secondary firmware is 4.12 (yeah I only fitted the system in feb so the firmware is already quite high), the system's the axpert 5p64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulomb Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 hours ago, ebrahim said: would a firmware upgrade help? As I replied in a PM, for the possible benefit of others: If you don't mind going backwards from 72.30 to 72.20, there is patched firmware based on 72.20 called 72.20e. It's a fully patched firmware, so you get the bug fixes, KettleKomp™, AussieView™, dynamic load and charge control, improved fonts, etc. I would rate the risk of problems updating to this firmware as very low, but of course I can't guarantee that it will be zero. ibiza 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErickvWyngaard Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Hi I have an Axpert King (Mecer Branded) inverter with Main Firmware 71.70. In general I am very happy with how it is working, however, there seems to be a 10min delay when switching from Line Mode to Battery Mode. I have read on some posts that with some firmware versions this delay has been reduced to 1min. What firmware will work with my inverter that have this delay reduced. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulomb Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) On 2020/08/03 at 12:51 AM, ErickvWyngaard said: I have an Axpert King (Mecer Branded) inverter with Main Firmware 71.70. ... there seems to be a 10min delay when switching from Line Mode to Battery Mode. I have read on some posts that with some firmware versions this delay has been reduced to 1min. Actually, it's 2 minutes, but that's (so far) only in the fully patched firmwares. From memory, it's a one word patch, so I guess it could be done in a minimal patch. But see below. Kings have very different firmware to the Axpert MKS models, which so far are the only ones that have fully patched firmware. Quote What firmware will work with my inverter that have this delay reduced. None at present. Only an old, very lightly patched firmware is even available for Kings, and it doesn't reduce that delay. Weber and I would like to do a fully patched King firmware one day; I'll post about that on the King firmware topic. Edited August 5, 2020 by Coulomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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