Axpert error code 58

[Zaid]

I have a axpert 3kva showing error code 58 ... kindly help me in this regard ..

Thanks in advance 

Zaid 

[Energy-Jason]

Hi Zaid.

I hope you great.  I have condensed your 5 posts regarding the Axpert errors to this one post. 

Feel free to reply to this thread.  Sincerely 

J

[Chris Hobson]

I'm a little perplexed. error 58 (low output voltage is reserved for the 4K/5K models. The 3kVA should not be showing that error message.

 

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Error 58 == Upgrade to something blue.

[mohm]

Dear, this Error Code 58 is meant for "Abnormal Output" or Output Voltage is low. There may be Some MOSFET burned inside. You can visually check it if there is any sign of explosion or something like that.

[Gnome]

On 2018/03/08 at 8:01 PM, plonkster said:

Error 58 == Upgrade to something blue.

Or just buy another Axpert. Need to go through approx. 5 of them to match the cost of one "blue"

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Just now, Gnome said:

Need to go through approx. 5 of them to match the cost of one "blue"

I still wonder where you find your stuff so cheap. I see 3kva Axperts going for 8k, and 5kva models going for maybe 11. Give or take... there are so many models you have to be careful. You can fit only about three of those into the cost of a Multi. Sure, if you add the MPPT then you could get to 5.

I still consider it a flawed comparison. The Multi competes with the Infini, not the Axpert (it's a hybrid). On a quality and functionality level it really competes with Goodwe, and now you're down to about a 20% premium, and still way below SunnyIsland and other European brands.

You asked how they sell? Well... by being good for less, frankly :-)

[Gnome]

31 minutes ago, plonkster said:

I still wonder where you find your stuff so cheap. I see 3kva Axperts going for 8k, and 5kva models going for maybe 11.

3k (R6k): http://www.fullcirclesolar.co.za/index.php/product/3kva-vp-3000w-unit-vat-incl-copy/

5k (R9k): http://www.fullcirclesolar.co.za/index.php/product/5kva-ks-5000w-unit-vat-incl/

The other place I usually check is Takealot and GeeWiz.

31 minutes ago, plonkster said:

Sure, if you add the MPPT then you could get to 5.

The 5k model I posted above is PWM instead of MPPT so bit more fair comparison price wise. The 3k model with PWM was really cheap but they don't seem to sell anymore.

31 minutes ago, plonkster said:

I still consider it a flawed comparison. The Multi competes with the Infini, not the Axpert (it's a hybrid).

Why? The Infini is a grid-tie inverter. The Victron is a switched inverter (same as Axpert). I mean we could use buzz words like Hybrid. But the reality is the topology of the Axpert and the Victron is the same. Whereas the Infini is the much more complex grid-tied topology. It is kind of like comparing an LED and incandescent bulb. They are worlds apart.

31 minutes ago, plonkster said:

On a quality and functionality level it really competes with Goodwe, and now you're down to about a 20% premium, and still way below SunnyIsland and other European brands

I mean I haven't really seen the quality difference. We see more complaints on the forum about Axpert inverters because the install rate is 10x more. Not to mention it is an easy entry into the market so first timers are likely to buy it over the Victron or other brands. I've seen complaints on this forum about problems with the Victron so it isn't like they are invulnerable.

I honestly have no brand loyalty, before this Axpert I bought two other brands and frankly the Axpert at the price point is just better than the previous I bought.

Components do not make a good product. I mean we could dig into what it means to use higher voltage rated capacitors, or toroidal transformer instead of EI core, etc. but the reality is the product on paper offers as far as I can tell all the features the Multiplus offers at a significantly lower price point.

Claimed efficiency and power outputs aren't really comparable. Now I'll freely admit it is likely the Multiplus will possible have higher efficiency and higher output at a given temperature/humidity coefficient but I would be surprised if the gap is very large.

The reason again is because Victron uses the same topology in their products as the Axpert. You can boost efficiency of that topology slightly by using better components and increasing frequency, maybe a bit of better software but overall it sadly has its limits. And frankly the Axpert is already gotten 95% there. And they are getting better with each release which is admirable!

31 minutes ago, plonkster said:

On a quality and functionality level it really competes with Goodwe, and now you're down to about a 20% premium, and still way below SunnyIsland and other European brands.

You asked how they sell? Well... by being good for less, frankly :-)

Fair enough, if they provide that much more value then it makes sense. My comment was based on my own observations based on the value provided, no offense intended!

As to comparing them to other brands: I don't put much stock in brands as I said. Brands in my mind offer very little value. This can become a long discussion why I say this but brands will quickly trade quality if they need to not to go under (and it happens a LOT). And riding on a brand name usually leads to lack of innovation for brands. It really is part of the life cycle of many companies.

One day an Axpert killer will come out and I won't think twice about ditching the Axpert.

Edited June 14, 2018 by Gnome

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2 hours ago, Gnome said:

The Victron is a switched inverter (same as Axpert)

Your information is almost a decade out of date. You need to read up on ESS (formerly hub4), hub1 (now deprecated) and PowerAssist (which it's had since the beginning).

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Gnome said:

One day an Axpert killer will come out and I won't think twice about ditching the Axpert.

That day was for Victron, when Axpert got MPPT's a few years back. Lost new customers, not existing ones.

Here is my pet hate. A supplier has a product, a UPS, they see a gap and go for it. They sell a lot of product, at lower costs, for that is their marketing strategy. Good strategy.

Yet the product is not that good, it works, it does, but it needs hands on, external firmware bug fixers. Still, they sell a lot of product.

Then they improve their product, it is still "cheap", existing users buy again, the improved version, same bugs are still there.

The problems they are not "fixing", are not new problems, the features they add, are not "new" features. Others have done that and sorted that before Axpert came onto the playing field. 

And I bet, once they have all in place, including online support, automated firmware upgrades, et al, their product will cost the same as the other big brands.

Mark my words.

[SilverNodashi]

On 2018/03/08 at 8:01 PM, plonkster said:

Error 58 == Upgrade to something blue.

"==" ? 

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46 minutes ago, SilverNodashi said:

"==" ? 

Programmer habit. == is for testing equality. = is for assigning a value :-)

Some languages also add === to avoid type juggling (and python has the "is" keyword to test actual identity equality).

[SilverNodashi]

Just now, plonkster said:

Programmer habit. == is for testing equality. = is for assigning a value :-)

Some languages also add === to avoid type juggling (and python has the "is" keyword to test actual identity equality).

I know what it does, hence the rolling eyes emoticon

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13 hours ago, The Terrible Triplett said:

That day was for Victron, when Axpert got MPPT's a few years back. Lost new customers, not existing ones.

Much as we want to claim brand neutrality (I will openly admit that I cannot), it isn't that simple. As a consumer there will be less that holds you in a certain place, but suppliers usually have massive retraining, stock and support overheads related to switching. Even a consumer will face a little resistance in adapting to a new product, though that is probably marginal: Like switching from Samsung to Huawei... takes about 3 days to get used to the new interface :-) It gets more difficult when there's interoperation that needs to happen: Lots of you guys cannot switch to another (cheap) inverter because you will lose ICC, for example.

Using a car analogy again... I'm a firm Toyota fan. I have owned other brands, and I have no objection to many of them, but none fits my requirements as well as this brand, at least for now. That's because my requirements is pretty much 1) get me to my destination, 2) don't come begging for repair money every month, 3) be at least somewhat practical and somewhat sporty, but not at the expense of 1 and 2. That is why BMW ownership never worked out for me.

:-)