vulgrim Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 What is the best 100 Amp Mppt charge controller to buy in SA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 The best in my opinion is the Victron 150/85, and I say this not only because I'm a Victron fan boy. I've seen what they look like inside, seriously upmarket construction and quality. Only problem is, 85 amps is the largest one they make, so you'll have to go with two 150/70 units, but you're talking around 30k at the present exchange rate for two of those. The 150/70 is arguably even better. No fans... completely natural convection. The only other units I have experience with, are the Microcare units. I believe they do make a 100A unit. I also heard their quality have improved lately. Will set you back around 10k. I won't say this is the best though. I have no experience with some of the other upmarket units, such as the Morningstar or the Outback. From what I've heard, very good, and very expensive. Edit: You can get two 100/50 or three 100/30 units for much less. And as someone who has lost an MPPT controller, having more than one makes a lot of sense... :-) Weasel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deonsr Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Value for money is certainly the combination of a pure sine wave inverter with built-in MPPT controllers like the hybrid Axpert/PIP 4,000w 5,000 Va. It has a 60A MPPT charging controller and an intelligent 60A mains charger, totalling 120A charging. You can also go the grid tied way with a KACO 6002. This unit is far superior but only works grid tied without batteries. It will deliver 6,000w with MPPT range starting from 200v - 510v. Brilliant unit if the purpose is to use and save shore power whilst the sun is shining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2 hours ago, vulgrim said: What is the best 100 Amp Mppt charge controller to buy in SA ? May I ask why you are looking for such a big one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Reason I ask is that, looking quickly, neither Victron (as per Plonkster), Outback nor Morningstar go that high. Reasoning is simple I suppose: It gets really difficult to make it work safely.But, you could use more than one controller, depending on what you want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Reason I ask is that, looking quickly, neither Victron (as per Plonkster), Outback nor Morningstar go that high. Reasoning is simple I suppose: It gets really difficult to make it work safely.But, you could use more than one controller, depending on what you want to do. It has to do with the construction of the Buck converter that is the heart of an mppt. At those currents, you need big inductors... or higher frequencies, and then there's skin effect at the higher frequencies, so moral of that story is that it gets really difficult to do high voltage high current efficiently. It's much better to use a few smaller ones. And that brings to the topic of using interleaving with multiple smaller inductors in a single mppt... but that's a different topic :-) Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNodashi Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2 hours ago, plonkster said: It has to do with the construction of the Buck converter that is the heart of an mppt. At those currents, you need big inductors... or higher frequencies, and then there's skin effect at the higher frequencies, so moral of that story is that it gets really difficult to do high voltage high current efficiently. It's much better to use a few smaller ones. And that brings to the topic of using interleaving with multiple smaller inductors in a single mppt... but that's a different topic :-) Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk If you use a few smaller units, and you can afford it, make sure you have at least 2/3 capacity left if one MPPT is taken out of the equitation. ___ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I just realised something. Many of the smaller Victron MPPTs cannot go up to 48V. You may literally have to choose between the 100A Microcare and two of the large Victron units. The Victron is just so much better quality, but man... the price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgrim Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Okay the only reason for me wanting a 100 amp mppt is to increase the panel watts on my roof. So do i understand correctly i can use multiple mppt controllers on the same battery bank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper_za Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 yes you can normally set them up to communicate with each other for charging settings (same brand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Vulgrim, before advice and ideas can be shared, we need more info. What system do you currently have? What make and model panels, how many? How many panels do you need / want? Home / Business? Grid tie or Off-grid? What is the load you want powered and for how long, at night, if you have batteries? To increase panels on solar charge controllers is no problem at all, if you do it right. Panels can be connect in series / parallel combinations so the big controllers can handle a substantial amount of panels, depending on panel watts and volts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgrim Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Okay the only reason for me wanting a 100 amp mppt is to increase the panel watts on my roof. So do i understand correctly i can use multiple mppt controllers on the same battery bank? I am running a 5kw Axpert 48 v inverter. Got 10 Benq 330 watt panels (3300watt) (Voc :647 ,Vmp:54,7 volt and 7 Imp) 2 in series ,5 strings (parrelell). Got 8 Shoto AGM gel 150 amp batteries. No problem running during the night ,but daytime i dont want to use a combination of panels and batteries. Already got a Apollo 300L solar geyser and a gas stove. I would like to put 5000 watt on the roof. Edited February 23, 2016 by vulgrim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper_za Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 For this I beleive you would have to add another Axpert inverter Mark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgrim Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Found this on the net the site is WRND Engineering. WRND 48/120 for R5999 Specs. WRND has a wide range of MPPT type solar charge controllers to best fit your needs. We manufacture in-house and support directly in South Africa. No need to pay the importers and expensive oversees shipping cost or waiting for stock. We offer a 2 year warranty as standard on our ProSeries products , but also have a 5 year and 10 year optional extension available. MPPT solar charge controllers have been proven to offer far better performance compared to standard PWM type solar regulators. On average one can expect up to 30% better yields. This is because of the dynamic and intelligent way in which these controllers find and track the maximum power delivery point of the connected solar panels, hens the abbreviation MPPT (Maximum Power Point Tracking). Given 30% better power yield translates to a significant cost saving when buying solar panels, one simple need less total panel watts to yield the same average power output compared to a PWM type solar regulator. In addition, the MPPT also log statistics, intelligently charges and conditions the batteries and can be user configured for optimum system performance. Our units are all solid state and have no moving parts or fans that could malfunction with time. We also offer an optional conformal coating to prevent moisture from influencing or damaging the unit. This option is ideal for maritime applications, harsh environments, preventing damage due to insects and damp conditions. Nominal battery voltage: 12V, 24V, 36V or 48V (auto select) Handles panels up to: 6000W (48V system), 4500W (36V system), 3000W (24V system), 1500W (12V system) Max panel voltage: 150V Max continues battery charging current: 123A (electronically limited) Charging (3 stages): Bulk, Absorb & Equalize Log history: last 31 days (saves: kWh, run time and max pv watts) Totals counter: days & kWh Protection: Over current protection in hardware and software Over voltage limiting in hardware and software Over temperature Settings: Charging current limit Normal charging: voltage Equalize charging: voltage, duration, occurrence Other sizes available: 30A, 60A & 90A  Model: WMP4812A Shipping Weight: 5.5kg  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I would not buy that. Friend that works with me. He had 2 of them. Posted in our Solar in Centurion group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/818706591529524/ "This is a product warning. DO NOT buy a WRND charge controller. Both my 120amp WRND charge controllers died within 8 months." He tried to get help and the dude just ignored him. They are made here in Cape Town I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 yep in Durbanville, this is the second time i have heard of an after sales issue with them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 What viper said. You cannot exceed the Axpert MPPT controllers limits and you cannot add another make and model controller to charge your bank. The controllers will debate too much on who is right. So, when using more than one controller, the controllers must be identical, set to the exact same settings, as per Morningstar, or get controllers that can link together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgrim Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Yes I know I cannot exceed the mppt limit, all I am going to do is buy another Expert and run them in parallel. Then each inverter can run from 3000 WATT panels on the roof. (120 AMP) viper_za and Chris Hobson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hobson Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Perhaps try and get an Axpert with the dual MPPT so you have room for expansion. I don't know if they are available in SA. Mark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgrim Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 When I brought my Expert I made sure it is the one with the communication card already installed so it can be used in parallel mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNodashi Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 hours ago, vulgrim said: Yes I know I cannot exceed the mppt limit, all I am going to do is buy another Expert and run them in parallel. Then each inverter can run from 3000 WATT panels on the roof. (120 AMP) This is your safest bet and works exactly as expected. But make sure you balance the panels between the two inverters, i.e. 9 panels or 12 panels on easy axpert. They will share the battery bank. And make sure the firmware is the same on both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgrim Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Do you know of anybody who is running 2 Axperts in parallel? So they use the same battery bank. But each will be running from there own pv array, and of course the communication cable must be installed between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 6 minutes ago, vulgrim said: Do you know of anybody who is running 2 Axperts in parallel? So they use the same battery bank. But each will be running from there own pv array, and of course the communication cable must be installed between them. yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 14 hours ago, Chris Hobson said: Perhaps try and get an Axpert with the dual MPPT so you have room for expansion. I don't know if they are available in SA. My suggestion as well. Nice new profile picture Chris... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 23 minutes ago, vulgrim said: Do you know of anybody who is running 2 Axperts in parallel? So they use the same battery bank. But each will be running from there own pv array, and of course the communication cable must be installed between them. My system works like that yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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