October 15, 20223 yr Hi, I cannot find the settings for the above batteries. Is there anybody out there that can help? Thanks, Nic. Edited October 15, 20223 yr by NicRoets
October 16, 20223 yr Also interested in this. I have this battery with a Luxpower SNA5000 and I'm battling to get it to communicate with the Inverter in "Lithium" mode. Would be great to get this to work. Any help will be appreciated!
October 16, 20223 yr On 2022/10/15 at 6:11 AM, NicRoets said: cannot find the settings for the above batteries What settings do you need? The voltage settings are available, but I don't see any specific Inverter protocols for CAN comms. Looking at the "charging voltage" it has two values, so I would suspect the bulk charge to be 54V and the float 53,2V with a cut-off voltage of 42,5V. I suspect the lower value of 40,5V would be 0% SOC which is not what you wish to discharge to, else you risk a much reduced lifespan. The charge and discharge currents also seem to be rather on the low side at 20A for a 100Ah battery, but in the absence of other data you would probably want to stay at max at 30A or below.
October 16, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, zsde said: The voltage settings are available, but I don't see any specific Inverter protocols for CAN comms. Howdy. Does this mean there isn't a possibility for CAN comms via the Luxpower Inverter? Would love to see my battery SOC via the app (when I get that working anyways - Need an installer code but not sure what to put in there when registering and don't want to bugger it up) Sorry,very new to this all...
October 16, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Coolbreeze said: Does this mean there isn't a possibility for CAN comms via the Luxpower Inverter The battery supplier/manufacturer would normally provide a list of compatible inverters. Inversely, the Inverter manufacturers would typically state which Li batteries they have protocols for. In the absence of that, the Inverter will have to be set up based on the Voltages that the battery manufacturer declares.
October 16, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Coolbreeze said: Would love to see my battery SOC via the app Here is an example of how Hubble provides a guide and protocol for your inverter. The AM-2 protocol would probably be in the ballpark as the bulk and float are 53,6V which is pretty close to what your batt specs call for and which one could try. But that is only one part of the puzzle. You also need to know what the Pin outs on your BMS connection cable has to be and even if you get that, the BMS in use may be different on your batt which means the Inverter won't be able to communicate with the BMS. So in the absence of this data, the short answer is that Voltage settings will be your only option. https://www.hubblelithium.co.za/luxpower Best to pressure your battery supplier for the requirements for BMS comms with your inverter.
October 16, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, zsde said: The AM-2 protocol would probably be in the ballpark Let's try this again... No, nee, nein, under no circustances.... the AM2 is a 13 NMC Cell battery and this battery is a 15 Cell LiFePO4 device... I really suggest you do not attempt to use the same protocol, that's like fuelling up you diesel bakkie with 98 LRP or similar...
October 16, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, Kalahari Meerkat said: No, nee, nein, under no circustances 👍 As stated, it was meant as an example. If you look at the bulk and float voltages, they are on par. As also stated, even if it was remotely possible, the BMS is probably different and it wouldn't work, over and above that these batteries have no technical datasheet to even see what the pinouts and supposed protocols are. Until this data is apparent, voltage charge settings are the only option
October 17, 20223 yr Hi all, New Energy looks similar to the Hoselect range....maybe try this link It's RS485A....with these settings, SOC readings on the Inverter matched the Battery BMS SOC.
February 3, 20233 yr Greetings Roets Did you come right with the battery settings on the inverter. I am facing with same challenges. Luxpower SNA5000 inverter and 4.8 kw N Energy Lifepo4 battery . Attached find my current settings. Anyone with a solution? Thanking you in advance
February 3, 20233 yr https://www.securityandmore.co.za/products/nenergy-4-8kw-48v-lithium-ion-battery Edited February 3, 20233 yr by TaliaB
February 16, 20233 yr Does anyone have actual supplier contact details.for N Energy lithium batteries. The guy that sold them to me conveniently did not tell.that they are not compatible with deye inverter. Either need to sell them on swop them out. I cannot seem to find the suppliers details...
May 23, 20233 yr On 2023/02/16 at 5:47 PM, Tyr said: Does anyone have actual supplier contact details.for N Energy lithium batteries. The guy that sold them to me conveniently did not tell.that they are not compatible with deye inverter. Either need to sell them on swop them out. I cannot seem to find the suppliers details... I have found "the" guy to talk to but good luck getting a hold of him. He is never at his desk and when you get hold of him says he will get back to you and NEVER does. I would advise anyone to Stay away from these batteries as you will get ZERO support on configuration and compatibility with inverters or communication protocol config. This is the distributor/importer/seller whatever... https://www.esquireshop.com/default.aspx
May 23, 20233 yr 46 minutes ago, Revnge_SevnFold said: I have found "the" guy to talk to but good luck getting a hold of him. He is never at his desk and when you get hold of him says he will get back to you and NEVER does. I would advise anyone to Stay away from these batteries as you will get ZERO support on configuration and compatibility with inverters or communication protocol config. This is the distributor/importer/seller whatever... https://www.esquireshop.com/default.aspx What is the guys name please? Maybe if enough of us put pressure on them they'll help? Happy to drive it from my side as well...
May 23, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, Coolbreeze said: What is the guys name please? Maybe if enough of us put pressure on them they'll help? Happy to drive it from my side as well... I cant remember the guys name. I just know its a female name, but for a guy. I remember asking for "her" and they still corrected me haha. Call the Durban office its where he is, if I remember correctly. I asked for someone who can assist me with your battery products. Edited May 23, 20233 yr by Revnge_SevnFold
May 23, 20233 yr @Coolbreeze All I can tell you is we will need the details of the people that actually manufacture these units in China as they are the ones what setup the BMS's and have the config software for them. I have even took one of my units apart to see if I can see anything on the BMS to identify what BMS they are using but there is NOTHING. Just a board version, but google did not bring anything up. My main issue is that these are really bad batteries and I have learned some expensive lessons here. Bad: 15s battery and not 16s. VERY low AMP output 30 amps??? WTF. and lastly ZERO software to connect to BMS and ZERO inverter support info. I bought two of the 48v 80AH units. REASON BEING because the 30amps is so little and would not be enough... anyways R32k lesson learned... Edited May 23, 20233 yr by Revnge_SevnFold
May 23, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, Coolbreeze said: This is the distributor/importer/seller whatever... https://www.esquireshop.com/default.aspx Isn't that the enterprise that started the Gupta empire in SA?
May 23, 20233 yr 19 minutes ago, zsde said: Isn't that the enterprise that started the Gupta empire in SA? I would not be surprised. The weird thing is, I thought these batteries would be some lazy rebrand, but its not. Seems like the have them custom made in China. The build quality is not bad I must say, of the one I have opened up.
May 23, 20233 yr I just wanted to share this, but they changed the product description! Skelems! Haha but the product page from the online store still has it! Both pages: https://www.esquireshop.com/ProductDescription.aspx?id=8814554 https://www.securityandmore.co.za/products/copy-of-nenergy-3-8kw-48v-lithium-ion-80ah-lifepo4-battery-wall-mount-battery-cables-not-included FALSE MARKETING! I found out after purchase that Victron only supports CAN BMS communication and not RS485. And this is what I was trying to get out of them if this thing supports CAN or not.
May 23, 20233 yr 50 minutes ago, zsde said: Isn't that the enterprise that started the Gupta empire in SA? You are thinking of Sahara, but Esquire is the place to go if you like having no aftersales support.
July 25, 20232 yr I made contact with Security and More to see what their response would be, I left a message for someone technical to call me and within minutes received a call back from the owner! I can tell when someone has integrity or not and by the sound of his voice and his email, I am certain this was not advertised on their site knowingly with incorrect details. We can all make mistakes right? Here is the email I received: Dear Cornelius "Thank you for your call this morning and bringing to our attention the possible errors on our product description. We would never ever try to mislead our clients or potential clients in any way, it is just not right and not a part of our belief system either. That said we have a catalogue of thousands of products and list each product ourselves and receive product information usually from our suppliers but in some instances we will gather our own information and publish this information on the product description, always believing it to be 100% correct. But when we list so many products its almost impossible not to have 1 mistake in hundreds or thousands of listings. We are only human and we are also prone to making errors and I do believe this could be the case in this instance. I have immediately removed parts of the description raised in our telecon and will have it edited once we confirm the specifications with the manufacturer or distributor. It never ceases to amaze me how some will yell: "Scam" or "False advertising" on public forums before ever considering if this could have been an error or not! (These are often the people who never make mistakes or at least struggle to ever admit their mistakes) or simply enjoy the thrill of calling out a scam? I am not really sure... I guess in todays world we live in there are so many scammers and dishonesty that people are very quick to judge and the thought that it could have been an error or similar does not even occur to them due to the sheer amount of scammers out there!? It is truly very sad. Anyhow, thank you once again for bringing this to my attention, the description will be updated ASAP once we confirm the correct information. Please don't hesitate to send me a Whatsapp or email etc if you have any questions or even just for a good old solar chat ! Sincerely Mike "
July 25, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, Cornelius775 said: I made contact with Security and More to see what their response would be, I left a message for someone technical to call me and within minutes received a call back from the owner! I can tell when someone has integrity or not and by the sound of his voice and his email, I am certain this was not advertised on their site knowingly with incorrect details. We can all make mistakes right? Here is the email I received: Dear Cornelius "Thank you for your call this morning and bringing to our attention the possible errors on our product description. We would never ever try to mislead our clients or potential clients in any way, it is just not right and not a part of our belief system either. That said we have a catalogue of thousands of products and list each product ourselves and receive product information usually from our suppliers but in some instances we will gather our own information and publish this information on the product description, always believing it to be 100% correct. But when we list so many products its almost impossible not to have 1 mistake in hundreds or thousands of listings. We are only human and we are also prone to making errors and I do believe this could be the case in this instance. I have immediately removed parts of the description raised in our telecon and will have it edited once we confirm the specifications with the manufacturer or distributor. It never ceases to amaze me how some will yell: "Scam" or "False advertising" on public forums before ever considering if this could have been an error or not! (These are often the people who never make mistakes or at least struggle to ever admit their mistakes) or simply enjoy the thrill of calling out a scam? I am not really sure... I guess in todays world we live in there are so many scammers and dishonesty that people are very quick to judge and the thought that it could have been an error or similar does not even occur to them due to the sheer amount of scammers out there!? It is truly very sad. Anyhow, thank you once again for bringing this to my attention, the description will be updated ASAP once we confirm the correct information. Please don't hesitate to send me a Whatsapp or email etc if you have any questions or even just for a good old solar chat ! Sincerely Mike " Thanks for your feedback here. Does this mean they don't support connection to the luxpower (or previously advertised) inverters at all? Do they not have any spec of the wiring/config on the comms port to get this working? Would love to get this working on my luxpower Inverter to see the proper SOC... Edited July 25, 20232 yr by Coolbreeze
July 25, 20232 yr The BMS connection and data interface is dependent both on the battery and the Inverter in use. The Luxpower manual depicts the pinouts for the Inverter, both for CAN and RS485. Only thing you need to check is which pinouts are applicable to your inverter. Luxpower will be able to give you the pin outs for their current Inverters in the market The SNA range uses pins 4 and 5 whilst the LXP range uses pins 3 and 4. This according the data depicted on the Hubble Inverter guide. My neighbour uses Hubbles with his SNA and there is absolutely no issue with the BMS comms. Some batteries may not support the Protocol. If the battery has no technical data regarding their BMS pin outs, then that is not the Inverter manufacturer's or resellers fault.
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