Katoolskopgert Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 I need assistance please. Ive got a 5kw Growatt 5000es inverter with 2 x 5.5kw hubble riot AM2 batteries. Ive got endless troubles with this settings on this inverter. Will a cloudlink sort out the issues of BMS communication between inverter and batteries? Thanks Gert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katoolskopgert Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 On 2021/01/21 at 2:27 PM, HubbleLithium said: Hello Community, The RIOT Cloudlink is causing a stir in the market currently and we were hoping to announce in the next month more about it, however we have been inundated with questions and we have been asked to release a sneak preview for discussion. WHAT IS RIOT RIOT Systems with Hubble Lithium have developed a A.I. comms device that enables the Hubble range of Lithium batteries to have full CAN Bus and Cloud monitoring capability. The RIOT device is an optional addon to the Hubble X and AM range of products and will allow your Hubble to integrate with almost any CAN bus Inverter including SMA, Victron, Growatt, GoodWE, Sunsynk, Deye inverters on the market. This is made possible by the RIOT CAN bus protocol, which encapsulates 5 CAN bus protocols. Current Development The RIOT is in Beta testing to add Axpert and Phocos inverters for full communication and cloud monitoring for the Huble range of Lithium batteries. What this means is that there will be 2 way communication and full integration released in the next few weeks with a firmware update OTA for your RIOT device that will enable full Axpert integration with the AM Range, and X-200 batteries. (The X-100 is not supported for 2-way Axpert integration. Only monitoring). Whats next? We will release the Phocos Any-Grid firmware update OTA in the next 7 days for full 2-way integration between the AM-2 and the Phocos inverters. Our partnership with Phocos to integrate the Hubble range of batteries have been a priority since 2020. 14 days after that we should be ready to release Axpert MKSII, VMIII, KING & MAX Protocol firmware updates to enable full 2-way communication. Where can I get a RIOT? The Powerforum store will be a distributor of the product. We are looking forward to their review of the product. More information will be made available in due course. You can read more here or see a demo of the Cloudlink Dashboard in Action on the following link: https://www.hubblelithium.co.za/riot.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katoolskopgert Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Will the Riot Cloudlink sort out the miscommunication between the Hubble AM2 batteries and a Growatt 5000es inverter? Will you be able use the BMS successfully? If so, and i purchase the cloudlink, who in or near Richardsbay kzn will be able to install it for me? Im just gatvol of Growatt with all its issues. Cloudlink is cheaper than another make inverter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system32 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Katoolskopgert said: Will the Riot Cloudlink sort out the miscommunication between the Hubble AM2 batteries and a Growatt 5000es inverter? Will you be able use the BMS successfully? If so, and i purchase the cloudlink, who in or near Richardsbay kzn will be able to install it for me? Im just gatvol of Growatt with all its issues. Cloudlink is cheaper than another make inverter. Not sure if RIOT works with Growatt, best to call Hubble Lithium to confirm: RIOT does have Growatt protocol support: https://www.hubblelithium.co.za/cloudlink See https://powerforum.co.za/topic/9858-riot-cloudlink-sunsynk-deye-monitoring/#comment-135896 For how RIOT can be connected Edited October 7, 2022 by system32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saliegh Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Just now, system32 said: Not sure if RIOT works with Growatt Riot doesn't even work for Hubble... zsde and werner.potgieter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system32 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Saliegh said: Riot doesn't even work for Hubble... I just managed to my RIOT to work with SunSynk. Needed a special cable that was only documented in the v4 manual. https://powerforum.co.za/topic/9858-riot-cloudlink-sunsynk-deye-monitoring/#comment-135920 The data from RIOT/CloudLink seems to be quite limited compared to SA. Edited October 7, 2022 by system32 zsde 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saliegh Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, system32 said: I just managed to my RIOT to work with SunSynk. Needed a special cable that was only documented in the v4 manual. https://powerforum.co.za/topic/9858-riot-cloudlink-sunsynk-deye-monitoring/#comment-135920 The data from RIOT/CloudLink seems to be quite limited compared to SA. Yeah, I was being overdramatic. Mine works, but is better served as a fridge magnet. One thing that was good, was the battery cycles... until they disabled it. I feel cheated out of the R2,500 that I paid for it. system32, zsde and werner.potgieter 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system32 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Saliegh said: Yeah, I was being overdramatic. Mine works, but is better served as a fridge magnet. One thing that was good, was the battery cycles... until they disabled it. I feel cheated out of the R2,500 that I paid for it. +1 The data from RIOT/CloudLink seems to be quite limited compared to SA. Seems that newer releases of RIOT/CloudLink firmware limit the data even further. No pack information, no cell voltages, not much. zsde 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Hubble you ever going to bring back the cell voltages and cycles to the cloud link? system32 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zsde Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) On 2022/10/06 at 11:42 PM, Katoolskopgert said: Will the Riot Cloudlink sort out the miscommunication between the Hubble AM2 batteries and a Growatt 5000es inverter? Will you be able use the BMS successfully? If so, and i purchase the cloudlink, who in or near Richardsbay kzn will be able to install it for me? Im just gatvol of Growatt with all its issues. Cloudlink is cheaper than another make inverter. It's not as much miscommunication as it is immature Protocols. High tech sales pitch that is in it's infancy. Have been monitoring my BMS behaviour since I got SA a year4 ago and the Li Protocol just ignores the fact that the battery ever goes above 52,6V. Most of the time the Inverter and Battery come to an agreement, if you can call it that, and when the Hubble reported voltage is around 52,6V then it states it's 100% SOC. By that time the Inverter reckons the battery is at 53,6V and the charge just stops and it goes into 43W discharge, powering the Inverter. Over time this 100% SOC drops further and further. When I see 52V as 100%, then I apply USE mode for a while and get it back to 53,6V with 100% SOC. So the BMS itself is also not the smartest cookie in the jar. To achieve that I have to set the bulk and float to 54 or 54,1V as the Inverter overreads battery voltage whilst charging and from observation the Inverter's voltage is what decides when to stop the charge, not the BMS. Further analysis revealed that the Inverter has an offset facility where the user can apply the offset to correct the Inverter voltage reading. This software is buggy too. As soon as I tried the offset, the next bug arises on the Growatt. As soon as the battery charge stops it then overrides the Li Protocol max charge current (Program code 02) and sets it by magic to 0Amps. This program code is preset with the Protocol 52 to 100A and cannot be changed when the Li Protocol is used. Yet the Inverter does it when one applies an offset. It's just a frustration one has to live with the Growatt Hubble combo Li Protocol. Hubble refuses to engage with end users and Growatt is in denial. So I manage my setup by regular inspection and at ~450cycles my battery is still at 110Ah capacity. Must be doing something right Here is a snapshot right now where I opened the BMS data with the Inverter Data next to it. See the reported Battery Voltage difference. Edited November 14, 2022 by zsde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehan Nieuwoudt Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 i have 3 x X100 batteries and a 7.2 Synapse inverter. Was told that the Riot would solve my battery charging issues by Riot Cape Town. Guest what after i bought the Riot it did not work and only afterwards was told by support that they dont think the X100 is supported. So now i have a Riot for nothing. any luck on gettting it to work please. And while we busy any X100 battery anywhere please. 6 months in owning the X100 batteries was discontinued. leaving me 1 x battery Short. Regards Rehan werner.potgieter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Hi @HubbleLithium, I am about to install 2 x Hubble AM-2 5.5kwh batteries to my system which runs 2 x Axpert 5kva inverters in parallel. When I install the CloudLink, how do I connect it to both batteries and inverters? Or do I just connec to the master inverter and master battery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saliegh Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bean said: Hi @HubbleLithium, I am about to install 2 x Hubble AM-2 5.5kwh batteries to my system which runs 2 x Axpert 5kva inverters in parallel. When I install the CloudLink, how do I connect it to both batteries and inverters? Or do I just connec to the master inverter and master battery? Don't waste your money on a Riot mate. They are overpriced fridge magnets at best zsde, werner.potgieter and Dani 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system32 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) If your Inverter is able to communicate with the battery BMS directly via canbus/modbus/serial then use that to read BMS SoC, temperature, etc. You may be able to use the RIOT as an interface/translator/middleman between the inverter and the battery BMS if they can't communicate directly. Edited February 2, 2023 by system32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoops Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 RIOT Cloudlink hasn't been working for weeks now. Apparently an R&D developer issue at Hubble in PE. No ETA as to when its going to work again, according to Hubble. Yellow Measure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Measure Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 hours ago, snoops said: RIOT Cloudlink hasn't been working for weeks now. Apparently an R&D developer issue at Hubble in PE. No ETA as to when its going to work again, according to Hubble. Mine is working fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoops Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) On 2023/03/13 at 2:37 PM, YellowTapemeasure said: Mine is working fine. Thats interesting, mine hasn't been working since it was installed. Sunsynk inverter with Hubble AM5s. And what I wrote earlier was direct from Hubble. They still have not sorted it out, and my inverters firmware was updated and all cabling confirmed correct by Hubble. What inverter and Hubble batteries have you got installed? If you have the same as mine at a site, then Hubble Cape Town is giving me and our installer the runaround, or sold us a dud, if other users with the same hardware and latest firmware have Cloudlinks that work. Edited April 3, 2023 by snoops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Measure Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 26 minutes ago, snoops said: Thats interesting, mine hasn't been working since it was installed. Sunsynk inverter with Hubble AM5s. And what I wrote earlier was direct from Hubble. They still have not sorted it out, and my inverters firmware was updated and all cabling confirmed correct by Hubble. What inverter and Hubble batteries have you got installed? 5K Sunsynk with 3x AM2s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snoops Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) As you can see mine is still dead as brick...no data from anywhere. But AM-5s and not AM-2s. While my SunSynk app works perfectly. But I wanted the Hubble Cloudlink as well. Installer and I are still waiting for Hubble to sort out their issues with the AM-5 comms. Which by Hubble's own admission is a fault on their side - software developer issues. Its been more than a month. Edited April 3, 2023 by snoops Yellow Measure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system32 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 2 hours ago, snoops said: As you can see mine is still dead as brick...no data from anywhere. But AM-5s and not AM-2s. While my SunSynk app works perfectly. But I wanted the Hubble Cloudlink as well. Installer and I are still waiting for Hubble to sort out their issues with the AM-5 comms. Which by Hubble's own admission is a fault on their side - software developer issues. Its been more than a month. AFAIK, for RIOT <-> Hubble-AM-5 you need a modified RJ12 console cable (one of the wires needs snipping). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weimaraner Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 So I bought he Cloudlink, not yet installed. Sunsynk + AM5's, reading this thread it looks like I have wasted my money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellerza Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, Weimaraner said: So I bought he Cloudlink, not yet installed. Sunsynk + AM5's, reading this thread it looks like I have wasted my money I managed to return mine. Sad to say, but the installer did not even want to install it system32 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valienté Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 I've had my AM-2 installed for exactly a year now. After delays with the Cloudlink only being delivered 6 months after the battery purchase and install, I finally managed to install it today. My battery was always connected directly via CAN and LiBMS reported everything in order. After installing the Cloudlink, LiBMS now shows SOH as 92% and yest this morning it showed 100% Battery has never been discharged to lower than 20% But yeah the Web interface and App is total shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system32 Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, valienté said: I've had my AM-2 installed for exactly a year now. After delays with the Cloudlink only being delivered 6 months after the battery purchase and install, I finally managed to install it today. My battery was always connected directly via CAN and LiBMS reported everything in order. After installing the Cloudlink, LiBMS now shows SOH as 92% and yest this morning it showed 100% Battery has never been discharged to lower than 20% But yeah the Web interface and App is total shit. Just out of interest, how is your system connected before and now: Option 1. Direct: No RIOT, LiBMS gets battery SoC/SoH/Temp/Charge Rate/etc directly from battery BMS --------------------------- Option 2. Monitoring Only - LiBMS gets battery SoC/SoH/Temp/Charge Rate/etc directly from battery BMS RIOT can monitor Inverter and Battery--------------------------- Option 3. Emulation Mode - LiBMS gets battery SoC/SoH/Temp/Charge Rate/etc indirectly from RIOT. RIOT can monitor Inverter and Battery RIOT "emulates" the battery BMS. Edited May 12, 2023 by system32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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