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Pylontech vs Hubble

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  • HubbleLithium
    HubbleLithium

    Hi Community, Seems the forum is decending into just degrading brands and negative commenting which is very unfortunate, as the powerforum is a great wealth of knowledge for power backup and sola

  • HubbleLithium
    HubbleLithium

    Hi P1000,   First of all interesting post. We have been following it and not commenting as to stay neutral. Regarding spares. - BMS: Our BMS units are manufactured in the East and the

  • Backbone Energy
    Backbone Energy

    A very interesting topic here and happy to put my two cents in. I have my own opinions of Pylontech batteries, this is not the platform to air them though. I prefer to make sure that people can get a

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20 minutes ago, Metalcut said:

How do I disable the G-Sensor on the Hubble X-100 once enabled?

Hi. Did you mistakenly enable it. It’s a Gyroscopic sensor. Once enabled, will need software to disable. 

1 minute ago, leshen said:

Hi. Did you mistakenly enable it. It’s a Gyroscopic sensor. Once enabled, will need software to disable. 

Lol yes the electrician enabled it, so you telling me I cant move it now haha, its in its permanent location now but just wondering for the future.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Metalcut said:

Lol yes the electrician enabled it, so you telling me I cant move it now haha, its in its permanent location now but just wondering for the future.

 

 

Yes unfortunately. It’s an anti theft feature of the Hubble X100. 

3 minutes ago, leshen said:

Yes unfortunately. It’s an anti theft feature of the Hubble X100. 

Thanks, will leave it for now, not planning in moving it anytime soon.

 

 

 

14 hours ago, Metalcut said:

How do I disable the G-Sensor on the Hubble X-100 once enabled?

I recommend you contact hubble directly they will be able to advise you.

On 2021/02/25 at 6:07 PM, Metalcut said:

Thanks, so if my infini does not connect to it via a communication cable I dont need to enable that setting? Someone told me it is to charge the capacitors on the inverter so that it does not surge or spark when you connect the battery or is that incorrect?

 

 

If your inverter does not have a coms cable with the battery you obviously need to set the manual values on the inverter to work correctly with the battery (user defined settings)

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On 2021/02/15 at 7:21 AM, leshen said:

That’s one example. What about an 8kw Sunsynk with 2 x 4.8kwh Pylontechs. You will only get 4.8kw which is very easy to exceed. So guess what happens during a grid outage at night, the inverter will go into fault mode and shut down. See the attached picture of an 8kw Inge inverter which keeps going into fault mode with 2 x 4.8kwh 0.5C batteries. The only way to get around that is to have more batteries, that’s not the solution, the solution is for other popular manufacturers to produce 1C batteries. What do you think will happen with pricing if Pylontech produce an actual 1C battery? That’s where the Hubble’s are better. 

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Sorry for brining up an old post. But a 0.5c discharge rate is not a problem if you want to run a load for longer than 2 hours. How long is load shedding ? So if you plan on using it for load shedding it wont be a problem.

You have a perfect example of a system that was badly specked by the person who designed it because if he did it right he would have read the spec sheet and known that it might be a problem or he didn't read it and only noticed it afterwards, in both situation it is still his fault for ignoring or not knowing the limitations of the tools he chose to use. Don't get me wrong there are situations where a 1c discharge rate is a big bonus and is needed but that is a minority.

 Also I have had to use a imax b6 to jump start a hubble that was so badly dischaged it could not start up the inverter that was suppose to charge it.       

On 2021/02/14 at 12:08 AM, leshen said:

Nobody is dissing one product to make another look good. There is no comparison between Pylontechs and Hubble’s when it comes down to cycles vs C rating and that’s because a 1C Pylontech Battery doesn’t exist. If and when Pylontech produce a 1C battery, we can discuss this then. 
 

Maybe question how does Pylontech supply a 4AWG/21.1mm2 cable pack which only THEY rate at a constant draw of 100A? No objective third party testing done there. Interesting to see that the Victron wiring manual states a max current rating of 75A for a 25mm2 cable. Pylontech also state that you can use up to 4 x US3000C in a stack with a single cable pack and each battery can deliver 37A. That’s a total of 148A on a 100A cable or 75A, depends where you look. Seems like world class engineering to me.

If you want to spec a system you should have the electrical knowledge of where to put fuses and wire the batteries so that no cable in the system goes over its rating and use the proper fuses in the right place. Things like that are taught to you at university and almost any competent electrical engineer worth his salt will know what to do. In the electrical industry no knowledge is same, but a little bit is a very dangerous thing because you don't know what you don't know. Just because it works doesn't mean it is right.   

In the market for a lithium battery and came across this thread: I'm not in either camp. I know a lot of cycle life is marketing but what is the impact to lifespan of the Hubble at 1C continuous draw? Why doesn't Hubble provide any recommendations on discharge rate? Do we think at 1C they expect 6000 cycles at 50% DOD? From the Pylontech US3000C specs, they have a recommended discharge rate (37A/0.5C) which I assume (maybe incorrectly) is to maximize the cycles.

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On 2021/02/17 at 9:06 AM, HubbleLithium said:

Hi Community,

Seems the forum is decending into just degrading brands and negative commenting which is very unfortunate, as the powerforum is a great wealth of knowledge for power backup and solar enthusiasts. 
We're not dodging questions, we dont live on this forum, and we are not affiliated to powerforum. Seems if we dont answer questions immediately then there are negative views. We only check this forum once a week if that. If you have questions please contact us through our official channels or on our website contact form.

For support and technical questions please contact us direct through our official channels, we will be more than happy to assist our clients.

On 2021/02/17 at 9:06 AM, HubbleLithium said:

Hi Community,

Seems the forum is decending into just degrading brands and negative commenting which is very unfortunate, as the powerforum is a great wealth of knowledge for power backup and solar enthusiasts. 
We're not dodging questions, we dont live on this forum, and we are not affiliated to powerforum. Seems if we dont answer questions immediately then there are negative views. We only check this forum once a week if that. If you have questions please contact us through our official channels or on our website contact form.

For support and technical questions please contact us direct through our official channels, we will be more than happy to assist our clients.

Hello Team Hubble

Are you able to share independent test results on your batteries, similar to the reports available at the following links?

https://batterytestcentre.com.au/reports/

It sounds like the leading Pylontech performance as per those reports has convinced many to opt for their batteries.

If you don't have such test results handy, are you planning on submitting your batteries to obtain same anytime soon? It would be great reference and sales tool, given a good outcome.

2 hours ago, Singh GP said:

I think the issue is the firmware on the bms when connecting to sunsynk.

I have 2x am2 on a 8kw Deye... all good.

 

 

Same experience here. I have a single AM-2 with the setup in my signature. From the Serial number it is a 06/21 manufacture. Had it installed end of August last year.
252 cycles so far and still reports full capacity. Not a single hickup ever, albeit early days. Happy so far.
Only problem is the company that did the installation has gone into bankruptcy, so I am pretty much at the mercy of the OEMs if I ever have a problem.

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50 minutes ago, zsde said:

Same ecperience her. I have a single AM-2 with the setup in my signature. From the Serial number it is a 06/21 manufacture. Had it installed end of August last year.
252 cycles so far and still reports full capacity. Not a single hickup ever, albeit early days. Happy so far.
Only problem is the company that did the installation has gone into bankruptcy, so I am pretty much at the mercy of the OEMs if I ever have a problem.

From what I hear, the oems are great. Do you have a RIOT?how do you know the cycles?

1 hour ago, Singh GP said:

From what I hear, the oems are great. Do you have a RIOT?how do you know the cycles?

I use Solar Assistant.
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On 2022/04/29 at 7:34 PM, Singh GP said:

From what I hear, the oems are great. Do you have a RIOT?how do you know the cycles?

IIRC, RIOT used to show battery cycles, but for your own peace of mind it was removed from the default "Home System 3.0.0" theme:
By changing to Red or Dark theme and clicking on the tiny "i" button you can still view cycles.
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So 4 years ago I bought a complete offgrid system from Segen and paid R96k for it, the system has been working fine until recently the pylontech batteries started not charging except for one master battery. I reached out to Segen since the batteries have a 10 year warranty and they said I should bring in the batteries for data extraction. After extraction they said the batteries are overcharged and the cells are dead so NO WARRANTY 🤔?? The question is simple how is that my fault as a client, the batteries have a BMS that suppose to regulate the charging and discharging ? They’re citing sometimes the BMS sends signal to the inverter to stop charging and the inverter takes time to stop charging (without evidence for this). What if the BMS died or the battery cells died and now it all pinned on the customer. Is this how SegenSolar - Pty Ltd. SegenSolar Europe operate? I deserve better.

On 2024/05/02 at 2:24 PM, Munashe said:

So 4 years ago I bought a complete offgrid system from Segen and paid R96k for it, the system has been working fine until recently the pylontech batteries started not charging except for one master battery. I reached out to Segen since the batteries have a 10 year warranty and they said I should bring in the batteries for data extraction. After extraction they said the batteries are overcharged and the cells are dead so NO WARRANTY 🤔?? The question is simple how is that my fault as a client, the batteries have a BMS that suppose to regulate the charging and discharging ? They’re citing sometimes the BMS sends signal to the inverter to stop charging and the inverter takes time to stop charging (without evidence for this). What if the BMS died or the battery cells died and now it all pinned on the customer. Is this how SegenSolar - Pty Ltd. SegenSolar Europe operate? I deserve better.

Always sad to read such a post. Yes one would expect the BMS should be very strict on cutting out on over voltage. 

Main reason being this is what Pylontech use to not honour what could be valid claims. Sorry to hear its not just swollen cells but dead cells. 

On 2024/05/02 at 2:24 PM, Munashe said:

So 4 years ago I bought a complete offgrid system from Segen and paid R96k for it, the system has been working fine until recently the pylontech batteries started not charging except for one master battery. I reached out to Segen since the batteries have a 10 year warranty and they said I should bring in the batteries for data extraction. After extraction they said the batteries are overcharged and the cells are dead so NO WARRANTY 🤔?? The question is simple how is that my fault as a client, the batteries have a BMS that suppose to regulate the charging and discharging ? They’re citing sometimes the BMS sends signal to the inverter to stop charging and the inverter takes time to stop charging (without evidence for this). What if the BMS died or the battery cells died and now it all pinned on the customer. Is this how SegenSolar - Pty Ltd. SegenSolar Europe operate? I deserve better.

Ask them for all the history log files of the batteries and post them here. This is a common tactic used by Segen to not honor warranties ,this will not be the first time this has happened here . Usually after some pushback(going to pylontech themselves)/analyzing the logs they honor the warranty. I have seen this about 4 times on the forum now and every time the warranty was eventually honored. 

11 hours ago, Scorp007 said:

Main reason being this is what Pylontech use to not honour what could be valid claims. Sorry to hear its not just swollen cells but dead cells. 

This is not pylontech doing the dirty deeds , this is all coming from segen solar. 

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1 hour ago, Nexuss said:

This is not pylontech doing the dirty deeds , this is all coming from segen solar. 

Thanks. Yes you guys doing the real work will always have more insight into the REAL problem than us readers here. 

Sad to see SEGEN is the cause of all the money lost by members. Seems SEGEN likes their reputation. 

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